tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post6965496035270549925..comments2024-01-09T13:27:08.545+00:00Comments on swanageview: DCC cuts support for School TransportUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-60867981585047686922011-07-12T14:39:29.024+01:002011-07-12T14:39:29.024+01:00So how do we set about improving the situation in ...So how do we set about improving the situation in the private sector? <br /><br />I have to say that I find this all a little odd as a friend is leaving nursing because the pay and conditions are so poor, and are being made worse by her Trust which needs to cut spending.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-64223187983222025192011-07-12T10:48:51.375+01:002011-07-12T10:48:51.375+01:00Having worked in both the public and private secto...Having worked in both the public and private sector I can say with certainty that the public sector is the softer option. Fewer enforced targets, no sackings (though many deserved) and generally good pay for hours worked and responsibilities held in the private sector. BUT - lets not begrudge those who have the private sector jobs and lets understand their moans and groans because they may know Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-75865530370822741002011-07-12T10:26:33.237+01:002011-07-12T10:26:33.237+01:00There have been a number of threads on here in whi...There have been a number of threads on here in which there have been interventions by what I can only describe as right wing fruitcakes. The most egregious example was when we were treated to someone rubbishing climate change just before a conference on it. This was when US energy companies were funding propagandists to use grass-roots media such as blogs, to get their "skeptic" messageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-78140224331952333862011-07-11T23:23:18.303+01:002011-07-11T23:23:18.303+01:00Came on here to look at DCC cuts support for schoo...Came on here to look at DCC cuts support for school transport - what happened to this thread?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-14756127904704217382011-07-11T10:27:35.250+01:002011-07-11T10:27:35.250+01:00This is a strangely static discussion. In fact inc...This is a strangely static discussion. In fact incomes in the public and private sectors do not move in a precise coordination. Research by an organization called Income Data Services some years ago showed that the public sector tends to be held down for some years and then jump back to an approximate parity. We have had several years of pressure on the private sector as we have gone through the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-76419979640288816302011-07-11T08:26:33.969+01:002011-07-11T08:26:33.969+01:00To enlighten us why don't you share with us al...To enlighten us why don't you share with us all what the two instances are. No names but a broad description of what and why. After all if you cannot provide details these may justly be viewed as spurious comment.<br /><br />No I wont I knew this would be your next move ie trying to find out the facts of the examples.<br />What I am aware of is the following, between myself and imediate Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-42133443826097610022011-07-10T21:56:57.978+01:002011-07-10T21:56:57.978+01:00What is arrogant about pointing out that examples ...What is arrogant about pointing out that examples may demonstrate a point but they prove nothing at all? You are the one who should come up with some facts. All we have is your opinion that a few people are underemployed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-75313890047459892632011-07-10T18:37:40.980+01:002011-07-10T18:37:40.980+01:00Guys and Gals, I think you're missing the poin...Guys and Gals, I think you're missing the point!<br /><br />S/he said that S/he didn't want to get into an argument and then went on to say something contentious.<br /><br />Think about the garden path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-25409336016846624172011-07-10T17:50:59.673+01:002011-07-10T17:50:59.673+01:00Guys and Gals, I think you're missing the poin...Guys and Gals, I think you're missing the point!<br /><br />S/he said that S/he didn't want to get into an argument and then went on to say something contentious.<br /><br />Think about the garden path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-65210115831613762612011-07-10T16:07:38.654+01:002011-07-10T16:07:38.654+01:00To enlighten us why don't you share with us al...To enlighten us why don't you share with us all what the two instances are. No names but a broad description of what and why. After all if you cannot provide details these may justly be viewed as spurious comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-63034692567326087662011-07-10T16:03:43.977+01:002011-07-10T16:03:43.977+01:00Tow more instances! Wow! If you base your argument...Tow more instances! Wow! If you base your argument on anecdotal evidence like that you can prove just about anything<br /><br />arogant person! the two instances are instances that my partner has ties to and involment in. Please get your facts correct before making spurrious statements/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-63272092704581534552011-07-10T10:15:57.373+01:002011-07-10T10:15:57.373+01:00Tow more instances! Wow! If you base your argument...Tow more instances! Wow! If you base your argument on anecdotal evidence like that you can prove just about anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-82527110519597397952011-07-10T09:11:46.805+01:002011-07-10T09:11:46.805+01:00To be honest Im not going to get into an argument ...To be honest Im not going to get into an argument over public sector pay and conditions, most people know how cushy that life can be, since my posting yesterday I have heard of two instances that confirm what i said about more pay and incompetance, but hey those with the good jobs just peer through rose tinted glasses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-66879588125757440632011-07-09T22:35:29.150+01:002011-07-09T22:35:29.150+01:00Um.....rings bell......rolls eyes.....
School tra...Um.....rings bell......rolls eyes.....<br /><br />School transport????????? Hellooooo!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-65700081829765194592011-07-09T19:59:03.183+01:002011-07-09T19:59:03.183+01:00"And dont argue with me ONS say its 7.8% bett..."And dont argue with me ONS say its 7.8% better of than the private sector"<br /><br />Its a shame you don't look behind the headlines and ask yourself what figures like this are actually telling us. They are certainly not telling us that a job of equivalent skill and responsibility in the public sector pays 7.8% more than in the private sector. What the statistic shows is that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-58338232193509164142011-07-09T14:52:12.207+01:002011-07-09T14:52:12.207+01:008.54am - how long ago was it you really worked in ...8.54am - how long ago was it you really worked in the public sector; some dates might assist this debate. The "Public Sector" - and this covers a huge swathe of employment from local authorities, civil servants, Police, NHS, etc, etc- does have a reputation as you describe. Quite wrongly I believe and certainly not relevant to 2011. The vast, vast majority are hard-working staff having Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-77475036071606037172011-07-09T09:57:07.140+01:002011-07-09T09:57:07.140+01:00It is hardly news that private sector employees ge...It is hardly news that private sector employees get screwed by their employers. Why anyone advocates extending this to the pubic sector mystifies me. Oh yes, that old one about competition from the Germans/Americans/Chinese/Japanese etc. Takes me back to when pay negotiators in this country were fed the line that pay had to be kept down because productivity was high in Germany and their German Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-18320678835320112542011-07-09T08:54:29.653+01:002011-07-09T08:54:29.653+01:00Just by thinking that the public sector gives jobs...Just by thinking that the public sector gives jobs for life shows how little you understand the real world - let alone me!<br /><br />I worked in the public sector for best part of 15 yrs my partner (later in life ) for about the same please dont lecture me/us on that subject I can recant many many tales of lazziness workshy sick ridden people who could not would not be sacked shorter hrs than Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-18226283039381163552011-07-08T21:08:18.712+01:002011-07-08T21:08:18.712+01:00When I said "for years" I was not thinki...When I said "for years" I was not thinking in terms of 106 of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-20567026768040651852011-07-08T20:38:49.989+01:002011-07-08T20:38:49.989+01:00Ooh, we've got a Young Person here!
"Who...Ooh, we've got a Young Person here!<br /><br />"Who else have we had since 1979?"<br /><br />Try 1906 - I stand to be corrected. Apart from the early '70's when we had the Lib/Lab pact I think we've been Con/Lab all the time - mainly Con.<br /><br />I wonder if there's a message there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-60262643026892581382011-07-08T19:22:12.041+01:002011-07-08T19:22:12.041+01:00WRONG, only under the Cons and skint Labs are ther...WRONG, only under the Cons and skint Labs are there "efficiency savings".<br /><br />Who else have we had since 1979? Even when labour were pushing health spending up to levels comparable with other civilised countries prior to the banks going bust there were efficiency savings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-3415807396057570282011-07-08T19:00:49.607+01:002011-07-08T19:00:49.607+01:00"for years the public sector has had to find ..."for years the public sector has had to find "efficiency savings"<br /><br />WRONG, only under the Cons and skint Labs are there "efficiency savings".<br /><br />"a smokescreen of competition?"<br /><br />See above.<br /><br />No choice in the early '70's - couldn't agree more, and all that means is that we are - slowly - developing as a society.<br Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-69849420417816851142011-07-08T17:27:47.080+01:002011-07-08T17:27:47.080+01:00'Did it occur to you that YOU have a responsib...'Did it occur to you that YOU have a responsibility to get them to school, and not ours to pay you the 'fair'??? By all means put pressure on your elected leaders to provide free transport, but don't await a pot of money to deliver your kids to school. Easy?'<br /><br />Did it occur to you that it was not the decision of parents in the 1970's to reorganise the education Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-66011450792296597262011-07-08T16:53:22.407+01:002011-07-08T16:53:22.407+01:00Again we are looking at a hall of cliche mirrors. ...Again we are looking at a hall of cliche mirrors. Of course we do not want them delivered inefficiently, however, for years the public sector has had to find "efficiency savings" which is simply a polite wrapper for a cuts policy. How do you suggest efficiency be measured and do you think this should be applied to the private sector which in many cases hides its oligopolies and de factoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676281.post-7264366865307130742011-07-08T15:52:48.276+01:002011-07-08T15:52:48.276+01:00"Of course nobody actually wants to pay tax, ..."Of course nobody actually wants to pay tax, that is such a truism it is not worth stating".<br /><br />Sadly that's a cliche, not a truism.<br /><br />Those of us who want decent services are more than willing to pay taxes.<br /><br />What we want, is that they are spent efficiently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com