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ELECTIONS: Thursday 4th May
Polling stations open 7.00 am — 10.00pm
Vote for the council you want.
There are elections for Swanage Town Council and for Purbeck District Council in the north ward of Swanage — to replace the former Tory Mayor who resigned suddenly. And there's an election for Purbeck District Council in the south ward — owing to the natural end of the present councillor's term of office. (There'll be another by-election in June to replace the disqualified Conservative, Mrs Wheeldon).
Your candidates are:
PURBECK DISTRICT COUNCIL
North ward:
John Wootton, Liberal Democrat
Thomas Holmes, Labour
Gloria Marsh,Conservative
South ward:
Anita Chennell , Liberal Democrat
Cherry Bartlett, Labour
Gary Suttle, Conservative
SWANAGE TOWN COUNCIL
North ward:
Sarah Wootton, Liberal Democrat
Christine Rabson, Labour
Barry Audley, Conservative
South ward:
Something to look forward to in June!
If you ever have a view about anything, vote to get the council you deserve.
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Does anyone have the statistics showing how these wards voted last time ie percentages by party ? as I think it's time for a spot of tactical voting !
Hmm …… tactics: what do you want to achieve? Do you want more of the same or think it's time for a change...?
Swanage Town Council:
Gary Suttle (CONSERVATIVE),
Bill Trite (CONSERVATIVE),
Constance Gainsborough(CONSERVATIVE),
Mike Pratt (CONSERVATIVE),
Mike Tyrer (CONSERVATIVE),
Colin Bright (CONSERVATIVE),
June Farrow (CONSERVATIVE),
Gloria Marsh (CONSERVATIVE),
Cherry Bartlett (LABOUR),
Mike Hadley (LIBERAL DEMOCRAT).
A change ? better the devil you know!! you could always elect more labour councillors and then perhaps buy a peerage let lots of nice forgien prisoners go have an affair with your secretary, buy a house on italian money or let pedophiles work in your schools.......... no thanks not with that record.... then again elect the libdems who sit on the fence about every thing and seem incapable of any coherent thought..... I always have said local elections should have an independant approach perhaps that might work ?
Right! lets get back to the brown envelopes from Harrods. And black wednesday. The economics of the madhouse where we were buying our own currency at a loss. Your grandchildren will still be paying for that, long after you are gone.
The 15% interest rates. three million unemployed. As was said at the time "It is a price worth paying" The long waiting lists for an operation.
We shall have to decide when to try to open up the mines we closed...and who will go back down the mines as the energy crisis looms large.
Yes! lets get back to those days when our houses were worth less than we paid for them.
One poster has the germ of a brilliant idea. Why not sell Swanage peerages and knighthoods? Order of the Swanage Empire, Knight Commander Grand Cross of the order of Sandpit Field? Lord Muck of Station Road, The Order of Victoria Avenue? Endless possibilities. They could be offered to the highest bidder on Ebay. Anon deserves a medal for this. Order of Julie Wheeldon first class perhaps.
What a great idea! Selling peerages and the like...Wonderful idea. Perhaps we could enlarge the idea to include the isle of Purbeck?
Now lets see. Where to start? Can I be The Lord of Langton Matravers?
Or Viscount Herston?
Naaa! does not sound right. I will settle for the The Honerable Lord Chumbley de Calathumpian of Peveril.
Sounds nice? Of course, how much will it cost me?
So labour are beter than the torries were? I doubt that very much...... sleath taxes high fuel prices poor management of the EU... the list goes on and on and on ................... perhaps I should vote npb (work it out) then I might get my country back........
Just a thought..... after all thats how some right wing dictators came to power the masses were not listened to so these people rode in on the back of worries and fears, crime imigration mistrust... ect. then i could not vote at all and still whinge about how things are done.... we shall see on friday perhaps mr blairs last days... and hopefully clarkes prescotts jowells as well..... ahhhhh what a heavenly thought.
P.S dont get me started on the NHS after all we are having its finest year......
Just as well extra-marital affairs don't disqualify councillors round here.
Jealous?
I hope that you all went and voted? for it was fought for, and some gave their lives for.
Brian Guy
Brian most of us know what you people did for us and I have stood on the normandy beaches, and cried thank you..... but i'm affraid to say mate this country is being slowly destroyed and strangled by people we cannot understand lets hope there are a few brave people like yourself left to fight for it again, I'm just off to vote
Good Lord! That was a very long time ago...Anonymous...62 to be precise.
That was in another time. Another World. A world so completely different from what we have today.
A better World?
I sometimes wonder what my mates that never came home would have made of the "Multicultural Society?" Not much I would venture.
A world when we were young, and we thought that World belonged to us? Perhaps it did? Maybe..
My grand kids are grown up, and even my great grand daughter will not believe that I am still only 29 years of age.
For those that came to listen to me.
The Garden Roller Man!
Brian Guy. :)
Its also worth remembering those who gave their lives in the colonies fighting against the British for the right to elect their government. Sadly their sacrifice will probably be sneered at by those who look back with a rosy glow on the days when they believed the tripe they were fed about owning half the world.
Churchill made it abundantly clear that he was fighting to retain the empire and deny its inhabitants precisely the freedoms we are now accused of taking for granted.
The results of the elections are given below.
Swanage Town Council. By-election N. ward.
Conservative win:
B.Audley Con. 924 (56.3%)
Sarah Wootton Lib Dem. 552(33.3%)
C. Rabson Lab.165 (10%)
Turn Out 49.35%
Purbeck District Council. By-elect. N. ward.
Conservative win:
G.Marsh Con. 965 (57%)
John Wootton L/D. 537 (32.3)
Holmes Lab. 157 (9.4%) T/O. 49.5%
Purbeck District Council. Election Swanage south ward.
Conservative win:
G.Suttle Con. 894 ( 46%)
Anita Chennell Lib Dem 532 (27.39%)
C.Bartlett Lab. 516 (26.5%)
Purbeck District Council. Election Langton Ward.
Conservative win:
Mike Lovell Con. 485 (71.85%)
Labour candidate 60 ( 8.8%)
Steve Fazekas Lib Dem 130 (19.2%)
I am not quite sure what to make of that last anonymous posting?
If it is a celebration of Multi culture Britain? Then count me out mate. I belong to a generation that loved Britain for what it was...Not for what it has become now.
I have litle sympathy for those that crowd in here "illegally" to enjoy what we fought for.
Brian Guy
The point I was making is that while it was expedient to tell the troops they were getting killed for democracy in the second world war the last thing Churchill and co wanted to do was extend its benefits to the colonies.
You seem to be saying the characteristic of the UK you liked above all else was that the population had white skins. Thats appalling.
Its no good you quoting Chuchill to me, I never moved in his circles. So I never met the bloke. What I am saying.. and I repeat, is this.
I have no time for illegal immigrants that come here to take advantage of the "Standard of living" we fought for.
I hope that I make myself very clear?
White skin? what about white skins?Of course, why not? most Purbeck folk are white skinned, so what is the trouble there?
As to being killed.Yes many thousands were, and the world is a better place for their sacrifices Bless Them.
Brian Guy
its apparrent that the posted who criticsed brian has no comprehension of what these people gave their lives for they gave thier lives so you could have your say your views your opiions go to normandy and stand there and imagine whatit is like to run 80 yds for cover with some nazi raining machine gun fire on you will al those illegal imigrnats do that |NO they will not but take our homes and money yes they will its not good enough to make a quick 5 min contribution to this country to have a realistic say you have to habe been here shed blood and worked and paid taxes.... please refer to the BNP geeting all those seats. the more people bury their heads in the sands the more seats the BNP will get....... again Brian thank you.. and please ignore the spinelees left wing people who think we owe every thing to those who gave NOTHING
please dont ever critise churchill if you wre half the man he was you would put your name. peolpe make me sick when from the comfort of their 21st cent homes they accuse our war time leaders of all sorts.... if it was not for peolple like winston (yes he made mistakes) you would not be able to type your drivell.... long live his memory.
All this, because I asked that folk should use the vote.
That started a conversation way off thread. So briefly, and while we are on the subject: two things. First, remember the 43rd Wessex Infantry Division, men of high quality with an outstanding reputation for courage and achievment. They were recruited from here in Wessex! The Dorset’s being one.
In Corfe, on the Archway, there is a legend in dialect. In plain English it says: “Dorset men do not shame their kind” Be very proud Dorset men. For you carry the ancestral blood of the Yeomen of Old England.
Secondly as the June anniversary approaches ….this
Quietly! Quietly! Whisper my Name.
So many long years ago I died, under Norman apple trees.
But now my Spirit wanders, as a warm and gentle breeze.
Hush! Quietly, Whisper my name, in that long forgotten place.
Then feel the warmth of my Spirit, caress lightly on your face.
For now, I am the jewelled Summer Lark, that soars on high.
Bright in heavens concert hall, my song will fill the sky.
I am the tumbling cloud’s that rise, to touch the face of Joy.
No longer held by earthly bonds, a once young and vital boy.
In an instant life was swept away, in a brutal savage war.
Look not for me in Normandy, for I am there no more.
I am the peace in woodland glades, in veiled cascades of green.
Feel me close, in your times of joy, sensed, but never seen.
Whisper my name, and hear my voice, in cascading woodland spring,
Or England's flowered primrose banks, wherein the bluebells ring.
Don’t mourn for me, quietly call my name, I'll visit in your dreams.
And, fill your mind with the beauty, of heavens joyous scenes.
Hush! Hush! Just whisper, quietly, call my name.
Whisper quietly.
Brian Guy. The long summer of 1944.
That was interesting - which century are we living in?
Dorset men don't shame their kind - does that explain a certain cllrs recent behaviour?
Unfortunately I remember the 80's very well, I went from being a teenager full of hope to, um, well, not full of hope.
Since '74 has Swanage PARISH council done anything other than borrow money to prop itself up? Sorry, not fair, G Suttle started to apply common sense to running the business.
Why can't we just accept that we live within a bloody awful system - if we were French we'd riot.
We don't all worship at the shrine of St Winston.
You have had 60 years to consider whether what the politicians and media told you in the 1940s was entirely true. It is perverse to believe that "economy with the truth" ended in 1940 and began again in 1945.
Yes we should all vote in elections whether they are national or local. The low turnout is bad. What can be done to increase participation?
More emphasis on real local issues perhaps? At least we all agree that this is a way of letting everyone express their views regardless of how long they have lived here etc.
That last posting again by someone failing to put their name to what they have to say.. Me a racist? Don't be daft!
I fought against the Nazis, and paid a severe price, so dont tell me about multiculture mate!
We fought to give freedom to the enslaved peoples of Europe. Not for any multiculture in ours. Go and look at the history, and get your facts right.
Then try being brave enough to sign your name so that your posting has some value..
We Certainly did not fight to see our country overrun by foreign nationals. We fought for our own people, our own society, our own way of life.
Brian.
I'm as English as just about anyone. Family members who have done the ol' family tree thingy have discovered that our family is a mixture of:
Welsh
Scottish
French
possibly German
but mainly Dorset.
I'm actually quite proud that this typically English, although my passport says British, is so multi-cultural.
Now say what you like, that is twisted, and still anonymous,
Put your name to your postings...So that we can all see what, and who you are.
Brian
Thanks for that, What I find rather amusing, is to call me a racist! When I worked with different races from all around the world.
Many from the international labour organisation. ILO. The ILO was created to share and to instruct third world countries (And others) the skills needed to improve their own standarsd of living, and to make their peoples lot better.
Many countries are members of the I.L.O. and it worked wonderfully well.
Now! If you want to experience real racism? you should try mediating between traditional enemies... different countries peoples....I have! Now that is racism!
Brian
Can someone please enlighten me. What beliefs have been suppressed?
Racists generally say they are against unlimited immigration as a coded way of saying they dont want to see any black faces here. Its the thin end of a most unpleasant wedge.
Who are the indigenous inhabitants? The Celts sent the bronze age inhabitants packing, an assortment of Saxons and other germanic folk chased the celts into Wales and since then we have had the Danes, the Normans and countless other waves of migration. Its perfectly natural and its not going to stop. Whats the problem with this? Why shouldn't people come here and change things? The British did it to half the planet.
correct me if i am wrong are not the indeginous people of this country white and christian ( granted pagan) until force fed religion and to say black people that is surely picking on one type of person tut tut. its all one way traffic here come take our NHS our benefits and homes that just aint fair is it ...... but why not let em live with you at least my kids could have the social housing they would occupy.
and they lived in caves........
......and were incapable of participating in a reasonable debate because of their insularity. An apt description of Purbeck man? I think so.
I have been thinking about suppressed beliefs. The christians suppressed the religions they found here when they were sent over from Italy to convert the English. The various factions in the christian church had a pretty good go at suppressing each other in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Round here the non-conformist churches have a folk memory of intolerance three hundred years ago.
As far as I can see all the suppressing has been done by white christians.
Oh yes, one other point, perhaps your kids would have been able to get into social housing if Mrs Thatcher hadn't sold most of it off to finance tax cuts for fat cats (or is she another of these saints nobody is allowed to tell the truth about.)
mmmmm so blame maggie for the social housing ill's fair point, but you cant get a quart in a pint pot so lets stop trying, we are not on about 2000 years ago and after all i hardly calling mass slaughter of local inhabitants by invading pillaging forces the same as unfettered imigration, all tho to the point rather bluntly theres a lot who have done that to innocent people due to clarke....I will just say agian no matter what you think about us alledged racist the BNP massive vote increase just proves the point that people have genuine fears and worries about it, If you think that allowing just anyone into this country my friend you are the one lighting the blue touch paper... not the ones you call racist..... this all boils down to the freedom of speach (which brian fought for) you are allowed yours I'm not allowed mine because im a racist and that makes me socially unacceptable to people like you. ergo in your world I should shut up.... Im glad we did not have to rely on people like you 60 odd years ago other wise im sure this would not be typed in english......
Stone me!...A quiet friendly conversation via the internet, somehow turned into a sometimes heated discussion.
More tea Vicar?
Perhaps a cucumber sandwich?
Great Big Grin!
Brian Guy
The majority of these so called immigrants were born here. Their parents or grandparents came here to do the jobs the British thought beneath them. The BNP tries to get elected by blaming them for all the nations problems just as the Nazi party blamed the Jews.
Anon refers to "genuine fears". If he thinks these are based in reality rather than spin and manipulation he is either being taken in by this modern manifestation of the principals of Main Kampf or he agrees with them. Which is it?
The comment about people having genuine fears about immigration worries me. Our media love whipping up race hate storms. The following is from:
http://www.migrationinformation.org
"The sustained inflows of non-British nationals have resulted in increases in the stock of the foreign national population in the UK; foreign nationals include all residents who do not have British nationality. This figure has almost doubled between 1984 and 2003, from 1.55 million to around 2.87 million, or five percent of the total population of 59.3 million. Similar growth can be observed in the foreign-born population in the UK, which now stands at some 8.6 percent of the population.
The largest foreign-national group in the UK continues to be Irish, though their numbers in 2003 (374,000) had fallen from a peak of over half a million only a couple of decades ago. Taken together, nationals from other European countries (not just the EU) made up almost half of the total foreign national population (1.2 million), with significant numbers coming from Asian countries such as India (159,000) and Pakistan (76,000), the United States (135,000), South Africa (99,000), and Australia (76,000)."
The figures that I couldn't find 'officialyy', but it is estimated that immigrants put £4billion into our economy and cost us far less.
Genuine fears?
I was amused to read in the paper yesterday that the head of UKIP has used Polish builders to do up his country seat and confided to an undercover reporter that they did a better job then English builders for half the cost. Now we know the price of independence.
I know of two Poles working in a nursing home in Swanage - the boss says they do a great job and don't continually moan. She also says that the good ol' brits wont do the job for the money offered.
That prompts the question? Are they being paid the minimum wage?
Then why not employ English people, there are stacks of them looking for a job.
The claim that local folk are not willing to work for the minimum wage is just not true.
If these claims of working for less money? it should be looked into and investigated.... quickly. For all pay no more than the minimum.
So what it going on? And who are these employers that want to take away the jobs for Swanage people, and give them to Poles?
Brian Guy
Brian, I was only repeating what was in yesterday's papers. It was a Times reporter who the head of UKIP told he preferred Polish builders because they were cheap and hard working. He certainly did not think the English would have done the job as well. I read it in the Independent so you can pick it up on their web site. Its just the delicious irony of this super-patriot wanting to get his house done up on the cheap with foreign labour. Apparently his son owns the firm that imports them from Poland.
By the way there was a scheme for allowing Poles to work in this country that existed for decades, even through the cold war and thousands came over here. Did you ever come across it.
Cheers and Thanks for that info. I have heard there are foreigners taking local folks jobs here in Swanage.
We, I am told, do rather have a large body of unemployed in the Purbeck.
Contrary to what some circles would have us believe, would do anything for a job.
Brian
Brian, that is contrary to what local employers have told me. One said that locals would stick the job for three months but no more.
The unemployment rate, in terms of those claiming benefits for September 2005 is:
England 2.5%
South West 1.4%
Purbeck 0.5% (lowest in SW England)
Source http://www.swo.org.uk/State_of_the_South_West/content.asp?chapterid=3&offset=32
I forget what the definition of full employment is, but this must qualify.
I suppose its all those foreigners, coming over here, working and spending their money thus creating employment for everyone else.
A couple of points re earlier postings UKIP is not a racist party? I do beleive that all they ask is we withdraw from the EC, so poles working on a house seems hardly an issue. The posting about "genuine fears" I surley like others am allowed to express my fears about any subject I wish I may have a fear of pidgeons a genuine deep fear but just because others dont it does not make my fear an less, so fears like that are opinions to a point. Im affraid tho that there is a massive problem with imigration and failed asylum seekers even in todays daily mail (no I dont subsribe to it) theres a cartoon of "imigrants" in a row boat asking for white tiles and marble worktops in there new home so its not just us good ole purbeck boys who see this happening is it now. unfortunalty people with views like brian and myself are made out to be socially unacceptable, but i can assure you there are lots like us who perhaps cant or wont express those views publically. I came across an incident recently where abuse was being hurled at a swanage teenager and the one of those doing this when told to stop held his face and said you cant touch me because of this yes it was his skin colour how unfair ?? could our enlightened posters answer how they would deal with that... please cc a copy to the local police
The point is you "good ole purbeck boys" don't "see it happen". You read about it in rags like the Daily Mail which knows, as Goebbels pointed out, that if you repeat a lie often enough it will be accepted as the truth.
The post about 'genuine fears' was about things it was rational to be afraid of. Fear of heights is rational, they can be dangerous. Fear of (indigenous) spiders is irrational.
Fear of immigration .......
'You can't touch me because of this'
I work with young people - it's one their mantras. They know many adults are frightened of this, and similar comments
YEs I have fears about imigrtaion am I not allowed those fears? a Rag like the mail I read allsorts of papers and web sites my fears come from people who live and work in these areas a Question for you all If the grammar school site was developed for imigrants illigal or what ever how many of you will now put up your hand and say I welcome that answer honestly have the spine to say yes I would welcome 200+ imigrants within 1 mile of the town centre... put your views where your mouths are!
Dear oh dear, the boss of the so called Welfare Dwellings Trust knew exactly how to press your buttons when he threatened to punish Swanage with an internment camp for asylum seekers for not approving his money spinning scheme for the Grammar School site. Don't you understand, it was a completely empty threat.
You make it sound as if fear of immigrants is more part of your self identity than something based on any rational analysis.
As has already been pointed out by another poster immigrants contribute billions to the economy.
Yes I think bringing 200, or better still 500 immigrants into Swanage is an excellent proposal. It would reverse the towns decline into a genteel retirement spot and second home mecca. Hopefully they would have large families and boost our declining school numbers. Because of the structure of the South Dorset economy they would be likely to be doctors, accountants, computer professionals and other high earners.
or they MIGHT be the other end of the scale not all imigrants end up doctors/nurses etc some end up in prison.... they come from countries where law and order dont excist if they want it they take it. just a thought.
In which countries do law and order not exist? Be specific please. We know about Somalia but do you know of any others?
You say some immigrants break the law. We all know that. What point are you making? Most of them come from countries with a high rate of membership of religions that enjoin their followers to live moral lives. Its easy to assume everywhere is secularised like this country but thats far from the case.
Critics of the west, or enemies if you want to sound melodramatic, who were referred to in another posting, seem to advocate quite extreme laws with gruesome punishments for things like theft.
How many of the non-uk born inhabitants of Swanage do you think should not be here? As you think their presence here is a "problem" why dont you go round and discuss it with them.
do you get the gaurdian deliveredn?
hats almost a compliment, but no. I can't cope with their wishy-washy liberalism. Thanks for assuming I don't read any of Murdoch's rags and obviously not the Wail or the Torygraph. I found it better to abstain from the last-mentioned on health grounds as it very nearly gives me apoplexy when I do chance to read some of the nonsense they print. You can also assume I don't read the other ones devoted to using only short words in large print. Every time I see a copy of the Excess it has a headline about Princess Di having been murdered. The other tabloids seem to be fixated with Myra Hindley and assorted entertainers/sportspersons.
That leaves the FT and the Indi. The FT is good for facts and for not telling its readers what to think but its rather expensive. The Indi refuses to publish royal tittle-tattle which is a huge benefit.The air-headed find it a bit serious but I am willing to put up with that.
Don't think the papers have changed that much since Waugh wrote Scoop, do you?
Google News is pretty good for getting the essentials and leaves me lots of time to snipe and attack some of the nonsensical views expressed here.
I thought that last post was pretty good. Here's part of the English character - labelling. If w find something we don't understand we label it, so everyone 'knows' what's going on.
Those of us who 'mix' our media probably end up with a better view. In fact we realise that no-one knows what is actually going on. We're just cogs in a wheel that rolls on. Our opinions and thoughts are great for blogs, but in the real world those in power just keep on repeating things. Some they get right, some they get wrong. And that probably sums up the human condition. Remember, those who get everything right are just living in boring little comfort bubble and never challenging themselves.
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