This Tuesday 21st Nov and ASBO was issued to Scott Green aged 24 of Holmes Rd following 9 years of crime and anti-social behaviour committed by him in Swanage. The ASBO lasts for 5 years and his prohibitions include an exclusion zone in part of the town centre and his neighbourhood. He is allowed to transit the exclusion zone in his neighbourhood to get home. He cannot enter any premises from which he has been barred which now includes most pubs in the town. He cannot consume alcohol in any public place in Dorset except licensed premises. He also cannot inflict harassment alarm or distress on any person in Dorset.
That is briefly it and a leaflet drop will be made within the next couple of weeks. A press release is also planned by PDC. I disagree that ASBO's do not work. PDC with the police have been involved in this process for almost 5 years now and have experienced total success with all our ASBO's. Unfortunately, much of what is written in the press is by people with axes to grind about ASBO's or those where politics plays a role. That is not to say that all ASBO's nationally are successful but invariably those that fail are due to poor enforcement or simply poor ASBO's.
In this area ASBO's are enforced rigorously as will Scott Green's. He has had ample opportunity to address is disgraceful behaviour over the years but chose not to do so. He now faces the consequences. The numerous victims he has left in his wake are pleased that this is now the case.
Courtesy of Sgt Bleasdale
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Posted by Anonymous to swanage view at 11/23/2006 05:29:35 PM
Thursday, November 23, 2006
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about bloody time!
Scott is fine except when he has been drinking
I wonder what causes this behavior?
Whoops, bad timing.
The answer isnt alcohol.
Well it is for me, but ....
Um, there must be something in the guys past that alcohol releases, what is it?
ahhh so hes a great land but feed him alcohol and he is an a£sehole well he has been banned from 99% of pubs in town but that did not stop him kicking off bloody good ridance to him should have been 10 yrs and a total purbeck ban!
Well said Sgt Bleasdale. This should have been in operation years ago.
Wouldn't it have been better to have helped him with the drinking and the underlying problems?
here we go lets spend crap loads on the perps and bug££r all on the victims this guy is dross he got what he deserved he was warned and told but he thought he was above the law before you comment perhaps a visit to the courts last tuesday would change your mind, but then again i suspect its the old adage dont concern me so i dont give a damn
Old adage?
Prevention is better than cure.
im not going to bother to post anymore re this subject its blantantly obivious you know nothing about this situation just willing to make silly comments, until you have been really affected by dross like this carry on living in your fantasy world!
Hang on an idea post where you live and we will send em all up your part of town!
Oh, you are so witty!
Just for your information, I worked for Social Services for 6 years - Adult Mental Health: and for 6 years for a private Social Work Agency - Young People.
Now ask yourself a question - why do we need Private Social Workers?
This may suprise you but there are Young People that Social Services et al can't cope with. They have to get in the Private Agencies to do their dirty work.
We dealt with the tough kids, on this scale, there has never been a tough kid from Swanage.
well a social worker ehhh I know a few mmmmm let me think the one who said poor lad he comes from a poor home and then said poor lad he comes from a home that had to much money, bloody excuses for every one and yes im witty you moron Im one of those who was affected by this piece of dross as I said go ask anyone who went to court the devastation caused he imtimedated witnesess perpertrated (i beleive) a racist crime therfore you support racist attacks, abused dozens of people verbally and phsyically includeing a pregnant woman caused financially damage to bussines and people so yes im FFFFFFF witty get a life. he was warned and advised but he chose to take that course of action he is old enough to make a rational decission he did not! dont blame the rest of swanage BLAME him
Oh yes, you are so witty.
to Scott Green aged 24 of Holmes Rd following 9 years of crime and anti-social behaviour
enough said!
I'll take you back to my 1:35 post:
Prevention is better than cure.
Or do you disagree?
go away! in this case prevention was not an option perhaps put all your thoughts to the VICTIMS here, and my partner made a good observation perhaps as a private social worker you are after the bussiness? a question for you what would you do with this peice of dross? and then what would YOU do for the victims?
"go away!"
Nope.
"in this case prevention was not an option."
It's always an option.
"perhaps put all your thoughts to the VICTIMS here."
Nope, I always look at the perp and the victim.
"and my partner made a good observation perhaps as a private social worker you are after the bussiness?"
If you go back to my post: I worked as a .... that's past tense.
"a question for you what would you do with this peice of dross?"
Certainly wouldn't describe him as that. He's first and foremost a human being, who like the rest of us has his faults.
"and then what would YOU do for the victims?"
All I could. Even if we did meet, we wouldn't know each other, so all I can do is suggest that you mount a private prosecution.
Good luck.
If you go back to my post: I worked as a .... that's past tense.
still made a living out of other misfortune tho!
"and then what would YOU do for the victims?"
All I could. Even if we did meet, we wouldn't know each other, so all I can do is suggest that you mount a private prosecution.
ie nothing because all you care about is the perp, I doubt you know nothing about this particular case therefore cannot comment, but the underlying feeling I get is that you care more for SG than you do of the dozens of his victims and all the abuse and trouble they have had, not wonder this country is going to rack and ruin if we have to listen to spineless gutless people like you. there is always a % of people who need help but theres a lot that just use it as an excuse and they feed on people like you to escape their responsibilities. we all have choices he chose his now he has to live with them. as do his victims some of which will bear the scars for the rest of their lives not just the next 5 years!
ask around swanage some say he got off lightly some wanted him banged up. so dear friend you are in a minority.
Your logic is beautiful!
If Social Workers make a living out of others misfortune, then so do the: Police, Nurses, Teachers, Solicitors, Soldiers, Doctors, need I go on?
As for being in a minority - if what you say is true, then thank God I am.
gods got nowt to do with it, what i said was you as a private social worker would make money out of peoples misfortunes, ergo your tough kids comment. And im glad the good citezens of swanage as well as the police can rely on you for support against anti social behaviour. please tell us all where you live we can send em up your part of the town>
I SEE FROM THE STATISTICS BELOW THAT DORSET IS WELL DOWN THE TABLE, PROBABLY DUE TO THE LACK OF POLICE TIME AND BUDGET THAN THE NEED FOR ASBO’S.
‘HTTP://WWW.CRIMEREDUCTION.GOV.UK/ASBOS/ASBOS2.HTM’
ASBOS ISSUED BETWEEN APRIL 1999 AND SEPTEMBER 2005
PERSONS ALL AGES & UNKNOWN: Number (as reported to the Home Office) of anti-social behaviour orders ISSUED at all courts by area, April 1999 to September 2005
CJS area Total ASBOs issued
Avon & Somerset 165
Bedfordshire 60
Cambridgeshire 89
Cheshire 161
Cleveland 87
Cumbria 89
Derbyshire 90
Devon & Cornwall 147
Dorset 37
Durham 80
Essex 116
Gloucestershire 46
Greater London 749
Greater Manchester 1045
Hampshire 194
Hertfordshire 108
Humberside 190
Kent 133
Lancashire 279
Leicestershire 71
Lincolnshire 29
Merseyside 189
Norfolk 100
Northamptonshire 72
Northumbria 187
North Yorkshire 63
Nottinghamshire 206
South Yorkshire 198
Staffordshire 153
Suffolk 131
Surrey 74
Sussex 201
Thames Valley 113
Warwickshire 76
West Mercia 193
West Midlands 554
West Yorkshire 520
Wiltshire 32
England 7027
Dyfed Powys 27
Gwent 56
North Wales 123
South Wales 123
Wales 329
Total E&W 7356
Last update: Tuesday, October 17, 2006
RobO
Thanks Rob O - mind you, I dare say that most counties would say they're underfunded.
And evidence for getting and policing ASBO's is as much our responsibility as the Police's.
Dear 4:56
Sorry if I'm being patronising but 'past tense' = was a social worker.
If you need me to make it any clearer - I am no longer working as a social worker.
Even if I was, I wouldn't make a penny unless Social Services referred the case to my employer. And then of course my employer might not use me anyway.
Is that clear?
Now, a little bit of info for you.
I used to work with a 12 year old in a Dorset town - not Swanage.
His behavour was so appalling that he was in a safe house.
I used to work with a 14 year old in a Dorset town - not Swanage.
His behavour was so appalling that he was in a safe house.
I used to work with a 16 year old in a Dorset town - not Swanage.
His behavour was so appalling that he was in a safe house.
Do you really want me to go on?
Cuz they're the lightweights.
Dorsets' problems are minor compared to the kids from - do you want another list of kids I've worked with?
A huge part of the reason I came back to live in Swanage is because it's so calm and peaceful and tranquil - here's the important word - compared to where I've lived and the people who I've worked with.
By the way, working with the Young people often meant meeting people they'd hurt - often their parents - I have empathy with both the perp and the victim.
Night.
you sum up what this society is about empathy for the perp, the victim should come 1st I notice you put perp 1st typical. and once again I agree theres is % of people wo will always need help but people like you leave the door open for all and sundry to blame every one else but them selves these youths have choices they make the wrong ones tough and for your info I dont consider 24 yrs old a youth thats a grown man who can make descisions, perhaps you would like to meet some of the victims, but PS you wont get paid for it!
"By the way, working with the Young people often meant meeting people they'd hurt - often their parents - I have empathy with both the perp and the victim."
It's not often I quote myself!
Sentence structure.
Would it make any difference if I had written;
By the way, working with the Young people often meant meeting people they'd hurt - often their parents - I have empathy with them and the perp.
Personally I prefer the structure of the quote rather than the re-write, it's better English.
Y'know, traditional values!
By the way, I've just finished 90 mins of voluntary work, that's after a day's paid work.
Even if it was meant to be a joke, you do seem rather hung up on my earning ability.
no what im hung up about is your readiness to defend people like SG when you have no idea about the suffering they have caused, people like you accept and defend anti social behaviour, which in a civillissed society is unacceptable, and bully for you I know lots of people who do volenteer work and get abused and spat at by the same dross you are protecting I think they call them SPECIAL CONSTABLES!
ok cool! just because i made a very valid point, your not the only one who does charity work 1000's do but they dont bleat on about it. but I have passed on your comments about SG to 3 of those involved in last tuesday proceedings the replies are im sorry to say unprintable, but one has asked for councilling want to volenteer?
Could someone please explain how whatever treatment is meted out to persistent minor criminals like Scott makes any difference to the victims? Whether he is boiled alive in chip oil or given a pat on the back does not reduce or increase what they have suffered one jot so far as I can see. Others may disagree but it is up to them to demonstrate the connection.
I notice that once again we have a poster who does not know the difference between an explanation and an excuse. I know they both start with ex but this does not mean they have the same meaning, a subtlety that must get lost.
the poster you are probably bleeting on about has suffered very very harshly at the hands of SG so 3 points (1) has genuine concerns and greivance on the subject and (2) thinks the punishment given out is insufficient (3) has suffered all types of abuse by anti social thugs and is fed up with pityfull excuses given by the more liberal minded people thats its everyones fault EXCEPT the criminal.
Thats all
And please ask the local police if they feel SG is a minor criminal.
Again a view from someone that is not fully aware of the case or problems caused.
Scott Green aged 24 of Holmes Rd following 9 years of crime and anti-social behaviour committed by him in Swanage. the above few words were written by sgt bleasdale please forward your thoughts to him I never made that statement it was made in a official capacity!
6.30 still has not twigged the difference between explanation and excuse. Apparently anti-social behaviour does not have causes so far as he is concerned. Everything can be reduced to nice simple emotive questions.
well explain the difference then, perhaps we are comming from the same way? I dont think there is any excuse for his behaviour and can only be explained away by his total lack of moral fibre!
Dear 10:12
Do you ever actually read and consider what another poster has said?
Just read and consider 7.53
PS I'm not 7.53
Moral fibre! What on earth is that? They used lack of moral fibre as an excuse for killing shell shocked soldiers in the first world war. My incomprehension of your remark is as great as my amazement that I need to explain the difference between looking for an explanation for something and making out that it is justified.
If you want to go down that road what about the lack of moral fibre of the community this man lived in who let themselves be intimidated or simply tolerated bad behaviour. Putting up with Scott's antics did him no favours in the long term. Anyone who stood up to it was in a tiny minority.
If a community tolerates anti-social behaviour for years its a bit much to expect the police to pick up the pieces when someone's antics become too much to bear. Its an impossible task. If we want to analyse it in terms of moral decisions then we have to find those who know of acts of wrong doing but take no action culpable.
Oh dear, I'm back to blaming society!
anti social behaviour is caused by various things lack of parental disciplne, peer pressure the list can go on. to say that the people who failed to stand up to SG ( i see your on 1st name terms) behaviour is an insult to lots of people I and many others did on more than one occassion, he has intimidated many wittneses and has shall we say dodged the bullet due to this. He did not last tuesday, have you been threatened with physical harm? I mean really threatened as in you know deep down the person means it! I may not put my feeling across as well as yourself perhaps thats due to my lack of education who knows, but one thing I do know the above named caused untold misery and finacial loss to lots of people in swanage, and PDC the police the LVA and pubwatch and others have been trying for a long time to get this sorted, perhaps look at yourself and say ok I may not agree with this poster but at least have the decency to agree that myself and 6 others named on a wittness list have had the courage to fight. SG is a nasty piece of work you may not think so but lots of hard working people the police and PDC think he is, this pacticular case Im affraid is as simple as that. I and many others dont want excuses or even belated explanations want we want is a quite safe life, something we did not have when SG was allowed to roam free, SG has been found guilty of the crimes not by me or any other poor swanage mortal but by a judge, if you cant except justice thats your problem not mine, as I have said others on that list think he got away lightly a ten year ban and a bigger exclusion zone would have been nice, but hey so what WE excepted the decission reluctantly perhaps, but we still accepted it why cant you? please read the report issued to day about street crime where it states that youths carry out these for KICKS just that kicks, it seems yoy and others want to offer explanations and excuses for these people, to be honest to the victims thats bull, if you accept these crimes as the norm where and when will it stop? the only thing I can say its down to personal responsibility and some people dont have that, and it seems others are willing to say well it does not matter well it does.
We dont care about what the social workers say, they seem to us to defend the criminal by excuses about various problems in their lives I dont consider swanage a ghetto do you? after all 100's move here because it is so nice.
We knew amd were advised that when asbos and bans come into force familly and close friends rally to the crimanal flag it has happened this week, but moral fibre will get me through this, Im sure you and others are safe, dont worry about your wife or kids or grandkids or even your car, Im affraid dear friend I do, but I suspect that as you think Im in the wrong, and also eductionaly sub normal my welfare and that of my familly mean nothing.
Have a nice safe day, one that in threory is better because of the hard work of the local police and the implemation of this and various other ASBOS.
I know people who live not a million miles from the recipient of this ASBO and I know they feel intimidated. Nevertheless policing can only work with the backing of the community being policed. There is a vicious circle in operation. If people don't feel they own the police and the law enforcement system in general so they put up with a lot of this sort of thing. I am not blaming anybody, just looking for reasons.
"the only thing I can say its down to personal responsibility and some people dont have that"
Spot on. SG and those like him don't have a sense of responsibility. If he has got the age of 24 without developing one how can that be changed now? You can't beat it into him. The harder you hit the hard cases the harder they become. Any suggestions?
Anybody seen the gov'ts plans for people with Personality Disorders - BAD legislation.
I think that people either 'grow' a conscinece or have one implanted.
If it dont grow and nobudy implants, what have you got?
I saw Scott having a afternoon stroll into swanage a couple of days ago.
have you done anything about it
As an aside, the only thing SG has been found guilty of, is anti-social behavour.
isnt that enough i dont want him anywhere near me or my kids he a moron
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