Friday, May 23, 2008

Vic Club

Purbeck District Council has ruled that hours of trading at the Victoria Club in Swanage should be cut back to less than those of neighbouring pubs, and that live music should cease. The ruling is subject to appeal.

Complaints were made by people who live in Quayside Court opposite, and also people who live above the club.

"Antisocial behaviour is present in this area because of the Victoria Club, there's no doubt about that" alleged one local resident, according to the Echo.

It seems to me that there are several issues, well worth debate here.

When a club has been operating for years, is it acceptable for people to buy or rent a flat above or opposite and complain about the club?

Are they alleging that if the club closed completely, there would be no antisocial behaviour in that part of town? What about people using the other pubs, fast food shops, and open area on the quayside?

If the club were to close completely, what knock-on effect would this have to local trade?
Parties come to Swanage for a meal, tour round the pubs then a trip to the club for late night drinks and dancing. Surely the loss of the only night club would affect other businesses too?



Posted by Anonymous to swanageview at 8:20 AM
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16 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think that complaining about ordinary everyday activities is anti-social. These complainers should be named and shamed. Who do they think they are?
I remember when the Swanage Town Band was banned from the Red Lion garden because of complaints from a few people living nearby.
Over 200 people wanted the band to play, a couple of people didn't want it, so it was stopped.
Outrageous! It's time we stood up for ourselves.

23/5/08 6:47 pm
Anonymous said...

If the Victoria Club is restricted to earlier closing times than local pubs, people won't go to the club. If it closes, there will be nowhere to go for a dance in Swanage. What then?

23/5/08 6:48 pm
Anonymous said...

If they cant go somewhere in town they may just go elsewhere like Bournemouth where they seem to like people under 80 enjoying themselves

23/5/08 11:20 pm
Anonymous said...

You see a group of people on the beach laughing and playing guitars. Instead of moving to a quiet area, you go and sit next to them, then complain about the noise. Insane!
Yet, you buy a flat opposite a nightclub and near to takeaways and pubs, then complain to the council and they limit the hours of trading!
Sane? Please justify!

24/5/08 7:21 am
The Postman said...

Complaints (Sorry, this got messed up. intended to follow on the vic thread, so inserted here..)

I think that complaining about ordinary everyday activities is anti-social. These complainers should be named and shamed. Who do they think they are?
I remember when the Swanage Town Band was banned from the Red Lion garden because of complaints from a few people living nearby.
Over 200 people wanted the band to play, a couple of people didn't want it, so it was stopped.
Outrageous! It's time we stood up for ourselves.



Posted by George Steele to swanageview at 1:00 PM
Posted by The Postman at 6:29 PM
5 comments:

George Steele said...

The comment above was intended to follow on from the Vic Club topic and not be a new topic
6:50 PM
Anonymous said...

Standing up for themselves was exactly what the objectors were doing.
10:23 PM
Anonymous said...

Standing up for themselves was exactly what the objectors were doing.
10:23 PM
Anonymous said...

You see a group of people on the beach laughing and playing guitars. Instead of moving to a quiet area, you go and sit next to them, then complain about the noise. Insane!
Yet, you buy a flat opposite a nightclub and near to takeaways and pubs, then complain to the council and they limit the hours of trading!
Sane? Please justify!
7:20 AM
Anonymous said...

"Standing up for themselves was exactly what the objectors were doing."

Does Democracy now mean that if 2 people are against something and 200 are for it, the 2 against win? What law was passed that I missed?
7:27 AM

24/5/08 8:08 am
Anonymous said...

They have also restricted the hours at the Red Lion if you want the names of the complainers there http://www.purbeck.gov.uk/pdf/LP%20171207%20RED%20LION,%20HIGH%20STREET,%20SWANAGE%20-%20APP%20FOR%20REVIEW%20OF%20PREMISES%20LIC%20(2).pdf
I know as im a regular there it cost the land lady over £5000 to defend the action 2 0f the complainers do not actually reside in swnage full time, the irony is one of the biggest moaners allegedly used to own the east bar
do we know who that is? there were 5 properties against (8 people) and over 70 suppoerting letters that meant over 150 people in suppport including people who properties abbutted the Red. As you all know bands and the garden have been around in the Red for donkeys years. Its the small end of the wedge, I led to belevie the Kings arms in langton are having simmilar problems as is studland social club.

24/5/08 9:50 am
Anonymous said...

Nobody wanted the bands stopped at the Red, they were just asked to stop playing at 11pm.
The new owner at the Vic Club has been totally unreasonable in his attitude. Hopefully someone else will buy it a run it better. It would be a sad loss if it closed completely, even if it has lost its Raison d’entre.
Maybe the Mowlem could become the new "club".

24/5/08 6:23 pm
Anonymous said...

NO they were not asked to stop at 11 the people involved wanted all outside music stopped they even moaned whne there was a band in the garden last august bank holiday sunday (2pm.5pm). their argument that there was excesive noise due to the new owner was unfounded as some 30 letters were produced stating ( and Im sure many on here will back this up) that outside music has been a feature of the red for many many years. Killjoys springs to mind.
As I stated 2 of the complainers are not even alledgedly full time residents.
why dont you go and ask the landlady she will tell you.
P.S they even complained about inside music, and had a call from the EHO one sunday night when the RED did not even have live music I know bedause I was in there drinking and the bar manager told me about the call.

24/5/08 6:52 pm
The Postman said...

Surely a fair principle should be that anyone can do anything else, so long as it does not upset others.

25/5/08 10:56 am
Anonymous said...

Does that include moving to an area where a late night culture of noise exists, and then complaining?
The act of complaining is upsetting others!

25/5/08 2:21 pm
Anonymous said...

This thread in nonsense. People have been complaining about the noise from the Vic club for years. Locals and new folk. If new folk come and complain about the litter are you going to say that litter is good?

25/5/08 3:16 pm
Anonymous said...

Ah, losing the debate so you rubbish it!

If new folk come and live next to, above or opposite a place that is known to be noisy, is it reasonable for them to expect peace?

If you sit too near a fire, you get burned. If you want peace, you don't buy a place near a nightclub.

Mind you, I've heard people who live in those flats moaning about the seagulls in the morning too!

25/5/08 4:11 pm
Anonymous said...

The numbers argument goes both ways. Why should a few objectors stop 200 hundred people hearing music is all very well but in the context of the club why should anyone have to put up with being woken by drunks shouting and slamming car doors in the middle of the night?

25/5/08 4:56 pm
Anonymous said...

It sounds rather like a public disorder issue.

Where are the boys ('n' gals) in blue?

25/5/08 5:14 pm
Anonymous said...

When the Vic Club closed for a while due to refurbishment, there wasn't silence in the lower high street!
You still got the kids hanging around the kebab shop and down on the stone quay.
The slamming of car doors presumably applies to the taxis that pick up people in that part of town? Not just from the Vic Club either.
And yes, it is a public disorder matter, and one for the police.
You know, it's all a matter of control really. Close everything down and you still won't have silence.
I bet people used to moan about the noise of the carriages picking up people from the Royal Victoria Hotel!
And as for litter, what about all that horse muck?!

25/5/08 7:02 pm
Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to preventative policing? They used to have a presence at the Victoria Club at closing time, which ensured that people who don't know how to behave after a late drink moved on.

26/5/08 2:52 pm

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