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Wednesday, September 06, 2006

Pier pressure

I hear someone smashed all the glass in the shelter at the end of the Pier. If anyone reading this has any ideas who might be responsible, do please tell the police.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...: dont forget to treat them with respect get down to what they want, dont antagonise them, and please dont even look at them, cause that is so wrong. but good luck anyway.; 6/9/06 11:55 pm
Anonymous said...: streuth, I thought we'd done that to death already.; 8/9/06 8:55 am
Anonymous said...: nahhh that comment was aimed at all vnadals and criminals, not just the ones your thinking of.; 8/9/06 7:21 pm
Anonymous said...: as always its comforting to know that you know what i m thinking.; 9/9/06 2:05 pm
Anonymous said...: thats good its taken me yrs to develop this skill.; 9/9/06 6:33 pm
Anonymous said...: i give up; 9/9/06 8:02 pm
Anonymous said...: referring you back to 8:55 am

WE'VE DONE THAT TO DEATH ALREADY.

Please, move on.; 9/9/06 10:20 pm
Anonymous said...: What has been done to death? Have I missed something?; 11/9/06 9:52 am
The Postman said...: any objections to closing this thread?!; 11/9/06 11:04 am
Anonymous said...: please, please; 11/9/06 12:32 pm
Anonymous said...: Could such fatuous exchanges not be erased by way of editorial discretion? To call them comments at all is too flattering.

Would it not be useful to post on this site a complete list of vandalisms in the Swanage area over the last season? I believe such a list is available from the Council, but it would be more useful online. First it would focus the problem and demonstate its dimensions, which I reckon must be considerable. Second it would invite comment, hopefully more intelligent than this current blog. Thirdly it might lead to a tip or lead that could be handed on to the police. Usually this psychopathic kind of activity can only be countered by public exposure and pillory. The police cannot handle it evidently, so what is left but finger-pointing?. Vigilantism has a bad name, but vigilance is the price of peace as well as liberty.; 11/9/06 1:37 pm
Anonymous said...: I suppose that with no real crime to talk here about people will focus on these petty anti-social outbreaks and blow them up out of all proportion. Just take a moment to compare the real crime rate here with other places. What seems to be happening is the vandals now put themselves where there is no cctv hence they have moved to the end of the beach and of the pier the pier.

Anitsocial personality disorder is a recognised personality disorder. 3% of men and 1% of women have this disorder according to the American Psychiatric Association. Swanage has about 700 young people aged from 14 to 21, that means that if the occurrence here is average we would expect there to be 10 boys with this problem and 3 girls. In fact ASBOs, a fairly accurate indicator of antisocial behaviour, are served at an average rate of only one a year for the whole of Purbeck suggesting the incidence here is a great deal lower. The fact is we do not have huge numbers of young people doing things that get them in trouble with the law. Perhaps what needs to be explained is why we have a few people who imagine they are living in Al Capone's Chicago.; 11/9/06 6:55 pm
Anonymous said...: but this is not al capones chicago is it its swanage! therefore smaller amounts of crimes has as much impact as it does pro rata to larger places, and perhaps you are correct its only 3% of males but why should I ande others suffer at their hands if you do wrong in a civillised society you get punished are you willing to pay to replace the glass in said shelter? No I dont expect you are but who will hard working pier voulenteers! theres no excuse for vadalism NONE!; 12/9/06 9:49 am
Anonymous said...: Actually no. If you do wrong in a civilised society you get help to improve your behaviour. If you do wrong in a barbaric or brutalised society you get punished.

Thats we way it is. You might not like it but thats what makes us a more civilised society than we had years ago when they thought legalised GBH was the answer.; 12/9/06 8:42 pm
Anonymous said...: correct me if I am wrong you are saying that whatever you do you get help for and are not punished? that means that people can justify bad behaviour with a I need help cry? therefore prisons and courts could be abolished and help centres built instead? If you take this a step further what help do honest hard working people get? none i suspect, no wonder theres no disciplne nowadays if we take this attitude.; 12/9/06 8:50 pm
Anonymous said...: Why are you fixated with punishment?; 12/9/06 9:40 pm
Anonymous said...: Perhaps we need a nice S&M club in Swanage and then all the posters who like being whipped can go and enjoy it in their own time ?; 13/9/06 12:06 am
Anonymous said...: why are you fixated with letting people do as they want and not adhere to laws and rules, if people do wrong do you not think in a civillised society they should be punished ? or taught a lesson or shall we do what you obviously want allow all and sundry to run amock and again are you offering to pay for the damage done to the pier? simple yes or no.; 13/9/06 11:44 am
Anonymous said...: This is going nowhere. You think everything in this world is black and white, yes or no. "Taught a lesson" indeed. Thats the sort of tripe tory home secretaries used to spout at party conferences when they wanted a cheer from the blue rinses. The home secretaries themselves never believed it for a moment and neither do I. Its just a slogan to get an easy cheer from the halfwits.; 13/9/06 1:21 pm
Anonymous said...: we dont need a s&m club you will find a lot of people whipped and beaten down by the constant petty crime and vandalism that goes on in town all ready. I think they are abussed enough; 13/9/06 4:59 pm
Anonymous said...: answer the question will you pay for the damage to the pier windows yes or no ? if you wont who will come on lefty tell us who will thats as black and white as it gets simple question answer it NOW the thread was about vandalism it goes on in swanage more than you think, so you for it or against it?; 13/9/06 10:40 pm
Anonymous said...: I can only conclude that you are in favour of vandalism continuing as your answer to it has been proved to fail.; 13/9/06 11:45 pm
Anonymous said...: the answer to vadalism is to make it unacepptable but that does not happen for various reasons. that its a cowardly act that people carry out at times and places that they know they will not be stopped . the police need more resources to combat petty crime, parents need to take a more proactive roll in their kids upbrining,when the culprits are caught they need to be punished sorry naughty word but they need to know that in society this sort of activity is not allowed, what would you do give them all a pat on the back. a CD as per t blair.
Lets get down to it answer the following questions what would you do with them? if the caused say a£1000 worth of damage to a small local business would who would you make pay? dont pontifacte answer those 2 questions just a straight honest answer that you could be held accountable to I suspect you will not, lets have a full open debate from all what would the general opinion be to deal with petty crime and vadalism if it affected the individual not someone else you your selves come on people lets all put a answer in not what you think if it happened to others what if it happened to you.; 14/9/06 12:03 am
Anonymous said...: The bit about making vandalism unnacceptable is right (ish).

Remember the Drink Drive campaign, it worked pretty well, plus of course it meant that the police had to take an active role.

From rumour most of the vandalism happens in the wee small hours, when I am led to believe that there are no police in Swanage.

So if the police maintatined a 24hr watch, presumably that would increase our Poll-Tax.

Most people I speak to about P-T moan about how bloddy expensive it is.; 14/9/06 11:20 am
Anonymous said...: Anon of 12.03 am said "lets have a full open debate from". Certainly, but lets look at what he says first.

He contradicts himself. If vandalism is conducted at dead of night away from scrutiny that is because the vandals know that what they are doing is regarded as wrong by the world at large. How does punishment or anything else tell them something they obviously already know? If they were unaware of this they would not go to the trouble of removing themselves from the proximity of cctv cameras would they?

I am interested in whatever is the most effective way of reducing crime and especially reoffending. I don't imagine for a moment that we will have a sensible debate. All we will get is a lot of right wing sloganising and no evidence comparing the effectiveness of different approaches. It would be nice if anon of 12.03am were to use his internet connection to do some research to give us some facts that back his position as a starting point but he does not seem disposed to get beyond name calling.; 14/9/06 3:10 pm
Anonymous said...: A little bit of research.

Go on read 'em, and then make a decision.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/8Comparison.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3761626.stm

http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/sta_index.htm

http://www.statscom.org.uk/media_pdfs/reports/crime_stats_interim_report.pdf#search=%22comparison%20of%20uk%20crime%20figures%22

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb601.pdf#search=%22comparison%20of%20uk%20crime%20figures%22

http://www.upmystreet.com/local/police-crime/figures/l/Swanage.html

I think that's a reasonably mixed bunch of sources, any answers?

I just wondered if maybe we should re-name this thread: paranoia?

Check it out here.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paranoia&x=0&y=0

OK, I'll save you some work.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source new!
par‧a‧noi‧a /ˌpærəˈnɔɪə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-uh-noi-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.
Psychiatry. a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others, sometimes progressing to disturbances of consciousness and aggressive acts believed to be performed in self-defense or as a mission.
2.
baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.
Also, par‧a‧noe‧a /ˌpærəˈniə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-uh-nee-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation.

[Origin: 1805–15; < NL < Gk paránoia madness. See para-, nous, -ia]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

Sorry the images didn't work. Bloody Internet it's sodding useless.; 14/9/06 6:29 pm
Anonymous said...: Fascinating, the UK has by far the highest rate of political scandal per head of population in the world! Well done. A magnificent achievement.; 14/9/06 8:39 pm
Anonymous said...: ok just go ask the local beat officers what they think and know of the petty crime and vadalism that goes on in swanage I DID today in fact and I mentioned some of the comments on here that seem to support these crimes you could actually see their faces drop when i explained some of the veiws on here, they even asked for the web address, no one has answered the questions I put what would you do with the vandals all you post is endless web links I could do that with opposite views I dont, this is a real p[roblem in swanage, I know i have had £1000's worth of damage done so dont winge on at me you left wing idiot its obvious that you support and encourage these acts its probably because a member of your fanmmily is one of the main perpetrors, vadalism is a crime and crime is wrong in a civilised society, print all the garbage you like its honest hard working people that support these idiots and I for one am fed up with it. ok 6.29 simple Q for you again if a person vadalised your property (say £1000) what would you do with them straight answer no bull cr&p and web links give your answer so we all know what you think, also bear in mind you have to pay for the damage to be put right, lets hear your answer NOW; 14/9/06 8:46 pm
Anonymous said...: In a civilised society I would expect the court that heard the case and convicted them to act on the appropriate professional advice available to them. In a civilised society thats how we do things. You want to return to the dark ages and overthrow the whole justice system.

Do you make a habit of telling people how to do their jobs? Do you tell the teachers how to teach your kids? Do you tell doctors how to diagnose whats wrong with you?

As usual you would rather not let facts get in the way of ignorance. You can't point to anything that supports your view and so you resort to insults and jibes.; 14/9/06 9:58 pm
Anonymous said...: A society that neither punishes people for doing wrong, nor rewards people for doing well, is asking for trouble.

Recently, for example, a serial burglar who had already been caught a dozen times before, admitted to over 200 burglaries and spent two weeks touring round with police to show them where they were committed. He was given a suspended sentence.

I must admit that although I have been law-abiding all my life, due totally to a fear of being put in prison, I'm beginning to wonder. Trying to live on a small government pension is not easy, and what punishment would I get if I were to commit crimes and get caught? Not imprisonment, I'm sure! In fact, I'd probably get more help from Social Services than I'm getting at the moment.; 15/9/06 7:04 am
Anonymous said...: im not on about what the courts would do that is a seperate issue im on about and gain not answered what you would do with them if you had the oppurtunity, I would if they caused damage make them pay for it not an HP fine but pay all of it. impose a curfew on them for say 3 months and monitor them make them aware that its unacceptable to commit the crime, and ohh yes make them appologise to the victim, now what would you do them? agin the scenario is its 2 am a vandal causes £1000 worth of damage to your property caught what would you like done to them? come on say lets here what you think should happen to these people? staright answer you cant can you you dont know now if theyt vadalised my place (again) and i advocated prison time you would be on here shouting about paraniod people and middle ages, no spine ders friend have you?; 15/9/06 9:13 am
Anonymous said...: i give up you have niether the decentcy or backbone to answer, so lets go back to the original post, im asking you YOUR view on what should happen to the people who smashed the windows on the pier, but alas i expect you will as normal push it on to someone else to decide then play merry hell with what ever they say, and i have taken the view that you do not support our local police in their campaign to stop crime in swanage, lets hope you never need the old bill to help you!
P.S Im passing on the web page to the local beat bobby so he can see the spineless support you and others give them all.; 15/9/06 3:23 pm
Anonymous said...: I'm the 6:29 post - the people - plural - who have done harm to me - not my property - have all ended upin court and received a fair hearing and sentence.

Of course the huge advantage that I had is that I was attacked, I was there, I saw it and I had witnessess - each time.

Not being materialistic, I doubt if I have grand's worth of property.

If someone did a grands worth of damage to my home I'd go and see my landlord.

If I found the 'perp', and witnesses I'd prosecute.

If I found the 'perps' I probably wouldn't do anything cuz getting my head smahed in by the 'perps' isn't worth a grand.; 15/9/06 5:08 pm
Anonymous said...: if thats the case then kieth we can not discuss anything in here ie planning thats up to the councill officers politics thats up to the politians parking again DCC officers all I wanted was an answer, what would individuals want to happen to a person who had caused damage to their property surely we all have the right to an opinion or as I said above we could not discuss any issue.
And dear friends if you want to know some of the extent of petty crime go ask some of the residents in priest rd I did last night and was stunned.; 16/9/06 9:50 am
Anonymous said...: the 5:08 wasnt't Keith, it were I.

And I did answer your question, perhaps I should put it a little clearer.

I have been the victim of assaults and where possible I have used the law.

Where not possible, I've shrugged my shoulders - because I am civilised and repond in a civilised manner.

I do not believe in revenge or vigilantism.

Yeah, life's not fair, get used to it.; 16/9/06 1:09 pm
Anonymous said...: so you admit theres crime by saying getting your head smashed in by the perps? bury your head in the sand ehhhh! and what if they trashed your comp who would pay?; 16/9/06 5:36 pm
Anonymous said...: I really am having trouble understanding your point of view.

I'll try and make mine a bit clearer.

If I can use the law to solve a problem I will do so.

BUT, I've enough experience of life to realise that there are things that the law cannot deal with.

If I and others haven't witnessed the actions, then I have three choices - by the way if there's a fourth let me know.

1 I get 'tooled up', I go out with my mates, I find the little ba^&$rds and I teach 'em a lesson they won't forget.

2 I shrug my shoulders - metaphorically - and walk away.

3 I lobby like hell to get the laws changed.

Answers

qu 1 - I refuse to stoop to that level. The only lesson they'd learn would be: the strongest win.

qu 2 That's what I do, that's life.

qu 3 Tried that - got me nowhere.

As an aside if someone trashed my comp - I assume you mean computer - then they'd have brokem into my home and committed an act of vandalism.

With no witnesses, the only choice I'd have is to use my house insurance.

Right, now here's a little message.

IF you can consider the UK to be a 'free society' then one of the problems with a free society is that you HAVE to tolerate other peoples views and behaviours.; 16/9/06 7:52 pm
Anonymous said...: I still don't see where the S&M club is going to come in. Are they going to organise a whip round to pay for the damage?; 16/9/06 9:10 pm
Anonymous said...: that S&M club comment is so out of context, it makes me wonder .....; 16/9/06 10:16 pm
Anonymous said...: ok i give up with you, you obviously dont care about crime you see it as just something that people can do what they like well i hope you never need the police and sometimes all the costs of crime/damage are not covered by insurance. and all the vadalism in town just puts up councill tax, but I expect you dont even bother with that! or call someone else to pay your share,; 17/9/06 9:44 am
Anonymous said...: Patronising shake of head and exhalation of breath; 17/9/06 6:00 pm
Anonymous said...: I appreciate that it is unlikely that anybody will actually read this as the last post was some time ago but here goes;

As a repeat victim of violent crime in Swanage (to date I have been the victim of two counts of battery and a few assaults) I find the attitude of many posters on this subject quite preposterous.

As has been said, dealing with youth crime is a complex issue and can't be dealt with by simply teaching badly behaved teenagers 'a lesson' or however you want to phrase it. Locking kids up just isn't going to work, either nor will beating them with big sticks. No I don't have lots of great new ideas for how to deal with the problems (not that there are many of them) facing Swanage but feel that the Police are more than capable of making sensible decisions about what to do. Every time I have dealt with the police I have been impressed with their professionalism and their sensible attitude.

This is though an aside, the question has been repeatedly asked what would you do if your property was damaged...? The poser of this question seems to presuppose that there is an identifiable defendant who the questioner feels is currently being let of too lightly. Speaking as a lawyer, if your property is damaged and you know who did it, sue them. It's really quite simple, just visit https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp. A payment of about £30 to make a claim and the damages could be in your hands in a few weeks. This sort of thing is not something that is the concern of the criminal law, it is a civil law matter and in the interest of efficiency and liberty should remain so.; 25/9/06 6:23 pm

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