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Are there really 900 families involuntarily homeless in Purbeck?
“94% of Purbeck households needing affordable homes will remain unhelped (annual shortfall 349 units pa / grant 21 units over two years. PDC figs).”
There is loads of interesting stuff at:
http://www.purbeck.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=9083
in purbeck maybe FROM purbeck no way thats the difference.
Micro xenophobia?
no despair how locals cant get housing those from outside can, please dont start all that xennophobia BS this is just straight forward dispair and disgust thats all.
Why should local people be given preference in social housing? We all know the arguments in favour but consider the snags. They are likely to take up all, or almost all of the available housing. This creates a feudal situation in which people who cannot buy a home are effectively tied to the area they were born in. They cannot move away if they want a home. It creates second class citizen without the right to decide for themselves where to live. Its like having residence permits to live in popular places, as they had in the Soviet Union. It alleviates on problem by causing a lot more.
don't forget to put comments on
http://www.purbeckhousingaction.co.uk/
www.purbeck.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=9083 is an interesting read. PDC say there is an annual shortfall of 249 in the amount of affordable housing provided. The average number provided in the period covered by the report was in face 22. Rather a big gap bearing in mind that affordable housing is one of their priorities. Funny idea of priority.
dear 945 am the other side of the coin is why should locals have to move away when they have ties here and jobs, you have to admit that private rental is out of the question, so why should my children move away just to secure a reasinable home when and this is factual two unmaried people (m&f) jaunt into swange one is from the north the other not even from this fair isle and with one child have within 13 months a 2 bed council house when my daughter has been on the list for over 5 years yes I will repaet over 5 years she has local ties as does her partner, but due to the generousity of familly meet private renatl this is in a old ram shackles building but hey let the others have it, I have just learned that the said "outsiders" are going travelling for 2 months at a time ( they are clever enough to check the time frame with PDC) when asked about the morality of this they laughed can you please explain this to me and my daughter, Im sure you would love to have a house with stunning views of the bay (private sales at 220k) just to wander back and live in when you wish. but then again you will probably justify this action. this sort of thing goes on and other things that would make you wince, but in your ivory tower im sure all is great. action by PDc in the case above does nothing but harden locals opinions against people moving here, rightly or wrongly thats a fact.
Ah, Swanage view becomes deja vu
ahhh swanage view becomes full of idiots who have lived here 4 or 5 yrs and thinks they know about the area retired solicitors directors and advertising excs as in life you are entitled to your opinions but dont try and tell some of us how we should l;ive our lives after all you moved here we did not request your presence respect works both ways. most who comment on the housing situation probably live in 300k plus houses and their families dont even live around here. I and others are fed up with outsiders pontificating about who lives where local and rural life is important. but hey ho I dont read the gaurdian and have a 60k yr pension.
There are some well paid jobs in Purbeck, bravo for the new units on the industrial estate, but young people with any umph have only to commute to Poole to obtain work.
11.07 - I read the Guardian BUT earn a fraction of the pension you refer to. Does that give me the right to comment on local affairs or am I denied that as I wasn't born here?
For what it's worth, I agree that social housing should be allocated on the basis of need - but that this needs to be regardless of whether someone is 'local' or not. If such a house is not occupied as a main home then this must detract from the rights of those that have been allocated it. Therefore if I felt that the system was being abused (as seems the case) and had the evidence to support this I would take it up with either my MP or the local Housing Department.
Swanage is a delightful place and our live here is constantly enriched by the influx of people of all cultures who have decided to make it their home.
It would be interesting to compare the attitudes of the incomers with the "locals" on a range of issues. The latter always claim to be defending the place but are they? There has been some discussion on here about the Sandford bypass. A few years ago the route proposed was thrown out because of conservation issues. I don't remember the "locals" applauding this decision. My memory is that they grumbled about "outsiders" stopping them driving to Tesco 10 minutes faster and never mind the destruction of sensitive environments.
Dear 2:18PM,
You're a fraud! I've studied your entry and discovered that you're actually someone with a far better grasp of grammar and spelling, pretending to be unable to write correctly.
What a wind-up merchant!
thanks sentinel needed cheering up, how long did it take you to think of that comment?
To 10:22am
"How long did it take to think up that comment"
That gentleman (for surely it is a 'he') has been leaving comments on various matters for some time now. Right from the beginning there was 'something that I just didn't understand' - in the words of Inspector Columbo.
When I read his last comment, it hit me that his stream-of-consciousnes style of writing was at odds with his educated use of concepts and sub-concepts.
So, to answer your question, it came to me in a flash over a long period!
mmmm intersting points there, but totally wrong I'm afraid im just a dumb ole purbeck person (boy or maid ) you decide. funny how if it is me when I alledgedly comment on subjects the replies top 100 when I dont they have virtually none.
perhaps im paid by the moderators to encourage discussions? nice little earner?
No, you just use multiple personas and post the most ridiculous things in order to keep things going.
What you've failed to realise is that many people have seen thro' your facade and no longer post, cuz we realise that you are a w£$£k$r.
My first post since I think it was the Scott Green thread when I said the same as Sentinel.
By the way, I'd been suspicious for quite a bit a longer, but I don't jump jump to conclusions.
dont call me a w&&&&r otherwise i will report your post to the moderator, you assume to much im affraid as for that piece of dross SG I hope you did not defend him? then again the way you post you might have, as I have said i post on things that have happened to me and my familly ie personal experiences, I dont post on subjects that i dont know about or concern me I have strong views on crimes etc a view often shared by others who due to people like yourselve dont post here all the things posted in this thread have happened to me or my close familly I ahve verified the facts and spoken at lenght to lots of people more so than can be said of some on here, and if its me who is doing all the posting why do you and others reply I have been blamed for some posts when i was not even in the county and had no acces to a comp or the internet I just laughed and let you get on with it, Tho I must admit widing you up is better than some TV shows. thanks for that. I beleive there is a meeting in april at a venue in town why dont yopu go along and put your point of view I certainly shall then if you have the b%%ls you were born with come speak to me. Its an emotive subject I due to being a parent with a couple of kids is at the sharp end of this, see one of my early posts would you give someone who has been in town only 13 months a 2 bed place before some one with more kids and been on the list 5 yrs? perhaps i have had seen more of life than you are you jealous of that? or perhaps i feel more strongly aboput local traditions and law and order.
"perhaps i feel more strongly aboput local traditions and law and order."
What are you on about - the first policeman in swanage got his head kicked in.
If you have more life experience than we champagne socialists you will already have checked PDC's Housing Policy and if you have found them to have acted inncorrectly you have of course started the complaints procedure.
If they haven't acted inncorrectly then you are of course lobbying your MP and preparing to stand as a Councollor.
Off to my rose covered ivory tower.
yes we have made reprsentations to the councill and contacted local councillors, but as allways they will look into it and im affraid again if you knew anything about it you would see how unfair the allocation is dont take my word for ask others read the gazzette from this situation the meeting of mid april has arisen, as for standing for local council you know aswell as I do if you dont stand on a tory ticket you have little or no chance of getting in and JK has been written to hope that answers your querries
"perhaps i feel more strongly aboput local traditions and law and order."
What are you on about - the first policeman in swanage got his head kicked in
im sorry the 2 were not meant to be related, can you inform me who he was and when this happened? I beleive swange station was there in about 1900 so could you allborate.
I meant by local traditions a more broader view, but it still does not exclude me from having views on todays society and law& order in general.
Sorry, but you always put yourself up as just a local, and now your suggesting that you don't know your own history?
Maybe, you see why we doubt you.
By the way, the allocatiomn is an established process ..........
Traditions - a more broader view - that's what you said.
D'you mean when people were 'offered' the Kings shilling?
D'you mean when miners had to walk! crwal, a mile underground to do their days work?
D'you mean when the Swanage smugglers got a bit pissed going to Wareham and rode into town shooting everyone?
Or do you mean when one very local family tried to set up a local Labour party?
Y'know, a 100 years ago, when labour was cheap, and some people wanted to aid them?
It's all so confusing
By the way, comments about, I quote; "if you knew anything about it you would see how unfair the allocation is"
Suggest to me a total lack of undersstanding of the world.
WE, voted them in. No matter how we voted
Sorry you are not up to speed on Swanage history. The first policeman was appointed in 1851 but in the Christmas Eve riot that year he was set upon by "a mob of boys and men to the number of one hundred". This is in the published extracts from John Mowlem's diaries and is recounted by Rodney Legg in "The Book of Swanage".
What is your broad view of local traditions? What local traditions do you mean? Dancing naked round the Mowlem on midwinters day perhaps? Traditions have nothing to do with housing so why bring it up?
I knew of things past but the comment seemed stupid What are you on about - the first policeman in swanage got his head kicked in
we also had rickets polio and dysentry in those days but seem of little relevance to today, and again i stand by this particular allocation you know nothing about this case so how can you comment, i also know about the point system and how to fool it as has been done by many, please as I have stated read the gazzete and turn up to the meeting, there are blatant case of missue of PDC allocated housing but as normal they cover up just like social services and the church do when embarrasing incidents come out.
I was as you can read and see making a general comment of how much i feel for my local heritage and traditions it seems you are laughing and mocking the local history and all it had if you feel good about yourself mocking others past carry on its a free country.
I stand by my comments (due to personal knowledge and involvement) that at the least, PDC allocations are flawed and the worst abused. others feel the same and will probably say so in the future, as always everyone has a right to make general comments about the council & the general allocation procedure but individual cases that you know nothing about should be left to those involved.
And if you want to dance around the mowlem nakid please feel free its only been there a few years. so has little tradition now if you want to go to wilkswood come watch us there!
If a particular case is best left to those who know about it then don't raise it here. This is a public discussion forum and we will discuss whatever is put up.
As far as mocking local history goes you really ought to find out more about it. Most of it consists of the better off and educated trying to do something for the rest of the town and getting two fingers raised at them for their pains.
Again I have to ask what these local traditions are in Swanage.
I would find your claimed concern for heritage a bit more convincing it it wasn't for the fact that the locals who make most noise about it don't give a damn for heritage a few miles away. When the route for the Sandford bypass was thrown out because of the damage it would cause to natural heritage I don't remember any of these locals welcoming the decision. Hypocrites to a man they all grumbled that a few marsh plants and animals should not be allowed to stand in the way of getting to Tesco 10 minutes faster. If you think I am wrong spell out what this heritage is.dmgnlyxl
it beggars belief what you said, are we not discussing PDC housing policy in general? I bought up 1 particular incident that I have had personal knowledge of as an instance of what I feel is a poor service, now you are at liberty to discuss the general service but that particular case you cnat as you have no knowledge of, i tell you of my experiences and for all intents and purposes you call me a liar in saying that does not happen and can not happen, well it did. can any of the recent posters give a incident where they feel the policy has been followed to the letter? it seems all some of you do is read (on the net ?) the policies and procedurs of various bodies make comments of which you are entitled, but have no practical knowledge of having used or been involved in any workings of said policies.
And as for the sandford bypass i wanted it, I dontknow if some of you remember but my parents certainly lobied for the wareham bypass in the "olden days" if you got caught with the cows at stoubourough, then the gates at wareham station it was a nighmare journey lots of "us locals" wanted that new road as we do the train connection, and so did some want the corfe bypass, but i only expect you remember it when you were here on holiday.
As I have said and will keep repeating if you all feel so strongly and you have all the answers come along to the open meeting about the housing crisis I shall be there, but as i suspect none of you will because you have no answers only abuse and ridicule,
YOu have no interest in this problem because it does not affect you. the only way i can see you will make a public noise is if social housing is built near you then watch out.
if it beggars belief, then why can't you accept that the 'incomers' had more points i.e. a greater need, for housing than your daughter.
And then you spend more than 1/2 your posting on bypasses!
Many converstions are tangental.
2 things, 1) a person that turns up with kids and says they are homeless will get put in temporary accomadation then housed, so in theory some one on say 71 ponts may never get housed, the 2 in question just turned up here because it looked nice, why cant their home towns house them? greater need my eye, all it was in this case was lets live by the sea and jump the Q 2)
Swanage is a delightful place and our live here is constantly enriched by the influx of people of all cultures who have decided to make it their home.
It would be interesting to compare the attitudes of the incomers with the "locals" on a range of issues. The latter always claim to be defending the place but are they? There has been some discussion on here about the Sandford bypass. A few years ago the route proposed was thrown out because of conservation issues. I don't remember the "locals" applauding this decision. My memory is that they grumbled about "outsiders" stopping them driving to Tesco 10 minutes faster and never mind the destruction of sensitive environments.
i did not open the subject of the sandford bypass but the poster took it upon themselves to accuse locals of scuppering it as has been pointed out it was raised in here so we have the right to discuss it not my words. the problem is some of the posters dont have any real knowledge of the housing crisis just what they have read but still feel able to offer opinions which is fair comment, but dont try and say what is fact and what is not. Again ill repeat the offer turn up to the housing meeting and make a contribution if you cant or wont please leave it to those that are affected by the situation.
Yes, yes but what about these Swanage traditions? Please tell us what they are. Are they really ancient? Why wasn't I taught about them at school in Swanage?
"i did not open the subject of the sandford bypass but the poster took it upon themselves to accuse locals of scuppering"
Agh.........You don't know your elbow from some other part of the anatomy. I said the exact reverse of this. I said the "locals" wanted it built and their attitude was never mind the destruction and harm caused by it. They are complete hypocrites. They pose as protecting purbeck from "outsiders" wanting to make changes but when it come to real protection they don't want to know about it.
Getting back to housing for a moment are you making a general point about "local" people not getting housed or making a particular point about an individual case the rest of us know nothing about.
Are you trying to say that having relatives locally should be the over-riding factor in housing allocation? Or do you want to keep this as a vague implication you can deny having made.
no what i said was that it was NOT me that bought the subject up is taht plain enough I was accused of going of at a tangent, of course opinions differ on the by pass wether local or not, and for traditions get a life you are labouring a point thats past its sell by date again come along to the meeting and express your views but as normal none of you will and you will still have pompous opinions even when you dont turn up, as far as im concerned i put my money where my mouth is and if some of you did that you would be very rich!
Excellent.
You were not accused of going of on a tangent.
What I said was; "Many converstions are tangental".
If you interpret such a general comment as being aimed at you, then maybe you should reconsider your position in the wider spread of things.
Damn, obviously, accused of going going of ..., not, not accused of ...
I hope that's clear!
Please just ignore 11:23, I'm tired and emotional!
The opinions of "locals" on the Sandford bypass did not vary. They were all appalled that rules imposed by outsiders - and in particular the EU - to protect the environment, meant it could not be built. Clearly this is a group who would be helped greatly if they took to reading the Guardian and got a bit of education on these issues.
I am disappointed we shan't be having a list if traditions though. Come on every one - there must be some that don't involve violence against children or strangers you can tell us about.
1222 i find that comment appaling in todays society please say your not implying locals are child abusers? and again on the sandford by pass do you know how every local felt? subject closed i shall be at the meeting i doubt you liley livered posters will. but if you do pluck up the courage you will hear a lot of horror stories of how the social housing is abused.
That sums up the attitude I object to very well. Instead of complaining at the lack of investment in social housing you reduce it to a scrap between locals and non locals. This is worthy only of contempt. Its blaming people who are also victims of policy failure.
If this meeting is going to be turned into a gripe session by people like 10.03 am to rubbish everyone except the poor hard working "locals" it will be a waste of time going.
of course people will gripe about it thers a problem you dont celebrate and congratulate you moan but then try and turn it around i have allways stated that if you have an opinion come along it seems lots in here have opinions, read the leaflets about town the meeting covers all sorts, and the need to house locals rather then 2nd home owners etc etc,have any of you seen the posters or asked at the gazzette office no i dont think you have. its not about us V them either its about fairness for all not just those with big wallets.
Its a pity you don't do irony. The last practical effort to do something about housing here was when a group of liberal, largely retired middle class people got together and set up the Swanage Housing association. How delicious that its exactly the people you deride and make snide remarks about who are willing to do something.
"your not implying locals are child abusers?"
Yep. I sure am. Hitting kids or threatening to is abuse. Ask the Children's Society. It might be commonplace here but that does not stop it being abuse. Is it a local tradition by any chance?
There's another, possibly local, tradition to take into account.
Early '80's I could have afforded to buy here, but Swanage was dying. For those of you with memories Swanage was a complete no-hoper.
I moved away.
1994 I came back. I knew that that was no chance of me buying a place, so I rent.
I haven't got the energy or commitment to lobby, plus I think that local houses for local people is stupid - see the feudilism comment earlier - it's not mine.
Acceptance.
There's a situation that I can't be bothered to fight so I accept it.
Chances are I will go the the Housing meeting.
The Local tradition I was talking about is that of inneffectual moaning.
Voices in the wilderness.
Alone.
An incomer has decided to instigate this meeting, following on from other incomers actions that set up the Swanage Housing Trust, and now inneffectual locals are bandwagon jumping.
P.S.
I'll sign this; far more local than most.
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