Monday, July 03, 2006

England Flagging?

Will those who polluted Ballard Down with a large white peice of cloth with a red cross on it now remove it.
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34 comments:

Anonymous said...

Not patriotic then ? or perhaps you prefer the true english flag ?

4/7/06 4:30 pm
Anonymous said...

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

Samuel Johnson

As true today as it was in the eighteenth century

4/7/06 5:43 pm
Anonymous said...

Perhaps the original poster would care to identify himself

4/7/06 7:49 pm
Anonymous said...

Himself ? thats being rather sexist is it not? surely it should have read themselves, and perhaps if Johnson was right we could do with a few more scoundrels.

5/7/06 7:59 am
Anonymous said...

The Parish Church has a " large white peice of cloth with a red cross on it" flying from the tower. Does that have to go too?

6/7/06 3:07 pm
Anonymous said...

The one on the church can stay ..............unless it offends some other religon.... now thats when it will have to go

6/7/06 3:48 pm
Anonymous said...

The hills were there long before England, the church not.

6/7/06 4:25 pm
Anonymous said...

Hay !

The peice of cloth has gone from Ballard Down. Thank You.

You can't deny that the world would be a more peacefull and happier place if there were no, 'flags' or religions.

The person who filed the original comment.

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8/7/06 7:05 pm
Anonymous said...

At the risk of an oxymoron, amen to that.

9/7/06 12:33 am
Anonymous said...

relgions cause so many wars and troubles......... shame really

9/7/06 10:34 am
Anonymous said...

Roll on the United States of the World

10/7/06 12:16 pm
Postman2 said...

Lets get started with the united states of Europe then

10/7/06 2:12 pm
Anonymous said...

the united states of europe will lead to civil unrest and ultimately WAR. the quicker we leave and all the countries get their own identity back the better. Now opens the flood gates of "lets all live in european harmony" brigade. I'm all for getting along with my neighbours but I dont want them organising my bank balance or telling me what furniture I can have.

11/7/06 8:35 am
Anonymous said...

You isolationists, get real!
There's yet another lesson from history that you seem to be forgetting.
Bearing in mind here I'm certainly not in support of their current behviour, but there's a union of approx 50 countries, who apart from the matter of a civil war have managed to live in harmony with each other for quite sometime.
It's known as the Good ol' US of A.

And if your going to rattle on about losing your identity nip into a bar in the deep south and say that LA is by far the best place in the US.

11/7/06 12:02 pm
Anonymous said...

I don't recall the Europe of competing nations states being marked by peace and harmony. There were wars somewhere in Europe almost continualy from 1800 to 1945. Who is a united europe going to war with? China? The USA?

Come to think of it the former had a strong central government for 4000 years and the only time they had real problems was when it lost control over the provinces. Sounds like a pretty god case for unification.

11/7/06 12:47 pm
Anonymous said...

Maybe we already are at war with China it's just become an economic war?
If Russia is European and joins the EU perhaps we'd have the strength to fight them off, cuz the yanks may struggle.

11/7/06 12:55 pm
Anonymous said...

The USA ? fudamentaly english speaking, and of the same land mass? Europe many different languages and ideas, also different laws, so look at it this way we were at war with germany/italy only 60 yrs ago as was america (Japan) so why not at war with USA in say 50 yrs. its also the point of a country ergo britain making its own laws I want to be able to govern myself not some greek or german doing it for me, for christ sake its bad enough having scottish MPs voting on english subjects without some non english speaker doing that. why cant europe be a community of friendly nations each with their own identities not massed together as some huge state, did the USSR work?

11/7/06 11:13 pm
Anonymous said...

British independence ended in the first world war when foreign borrowings became bigger than foreign investment for the first time. Since then the USA as fiddle payer, has been calling the tune. The reality is that in the modern world Westminster is a glorified county council.

The sooner we have a single set of laws for the EU the better. Taking a very simple example, if I buy something from someone in this country for a couple of hundred pounds and they rip me off getting restitution is not too difficult. If they are in Scotland its difficult and in the rest of the EU just about impossible. What matters is that the people who make the laws are answerable at election time not what language they speak.

12/7/06 10:38 am
Anonymous said...

Sad person thinking like that, people need identity they need to belong to their own for want of a better word tribe (im sure that will get the left wing idiots going)we have managed for centuries sorting are own laws the same criterea does not apply here as does in other countries,what if you bought a product from the USA do you want us to have the same laws, your argument is weak. If you want to belong to a united europe please leave thank you!

12/7/06 1:42 pm
Anonymous said...

Leave where? I'm already in Europe. I just wnat the same rules to apply to all of it. I hope we are not back to that ridiculous "everyone here should be the same" arguement.

I love the idea of people getting their identity from laws. "I'm a different man since I read Section 4 of the Local Government Act 2000" etc How does it work exactly? I must have been off school with a cold the week they did it.

Most new law is decided in Brussels and has been for some years. If you think this has eroded your personal identity you should ask your GP for a referral to a shrink before it gets worse as the cause is not what you think it is.

13/7/06 10:47 am
Anonymous said...

And if you are saying its just other people who want a "tribal identity" all I can say is the sooner they are deprived of one the better. We all know where that sort of nonsense can lead.

13/7/06 10:59 am
Anonymous said...

Im ENGLISH and proud of it, all im saying is we have 100's years made our own laws why the hell should they be made away from these shores, again answer the question if you purchased a product from the USA would you want their laws the same as ours, and when the less well of countries come into the EU and their economies need picking up shall WE all pay what about higher taxes would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is? leave europe alone its ok as independent countries? what ever your left wing ideals are people like their independence just look at the scot!

13/7/06 4:58 pm
Anonymous said...

This is weird. You have adopted exactly the same position Tony Benn and the left of the labour party had on this issue twenty five years ago but you seen blissfully unaware that you are parroting the old left's slogans. Oh well.

Yes I would like commercial law in the USA to be the same as here in the EU, and to be the same in the far east, south asia and anywhere else you care to mention. Thanks to the internet I buy things from europe, the USA and China and I would like to have the same protection I enjoy when I buy something locally.

If you think UK laws are made in Westminster you are kidding yourself. Thats a matter of observation rather than an opinion. Ask the UKIP if you don't believe me.

By the way, what is it you are proud of about being English? Can you define it or do you prefer to keep it as as nice simple slogan?

13/7/06 9:35 pm
Anonymous said...

the scots wanted indepence and got so do many welsh so why should i not want to be free of european laws, fudemnetaly I have nothing in common (culturally) with say a Italian, so why the move to make us all one super state, with no independant function. answer this are you willing to give up your natinallity and identity and just become european, ergo not english and by the way I have lots of scottish and welsh friends who call themselves that and they encourage me to call myself ENGLISH !

14/7/06 9:57 pm
Anonymous said...

"answer this are you willing to give up your natinallity and identity and just become european, ergo not english."

Yes please. The sooner the better. And while we are at it the Windsor family can be retired from inheriting being head of state and can try to earn an honest living.

Scotland, by the way, is not independent. The SNP campaigned for home rule within the UK and EU.

15/7/06 12:27 am
Anonymous said...

Just thought I should add you have a great deal in common culturaly with an Italian. 600 years of being part of the Roman empire overlapping with 1400 years of the same Christian religion. Both countries have langages with many words stemming from the same roots, they a great many shared artistic traditions. Any comparism reflects badly on English culture as it happens, it has generally been parasitical on Italian culture. Ask yourself what Enlish culture has given the world in the last half century. Punk rock perhaps. Please add to the list.

15/7/06 12:38 am
Anonymous said...

We have been waiting for days for anon to tell us both what characteristics of Englishness he is proud of and how having a single set legal system for the EU would diminish any of these. Can he or she explain how the name and geographical extent of the state determine his/her identity. The state is nothing more than an organisation we buy services from. Has his identity suffered because the British state no longer sells gas and electricity?

16/7/06 3:52 pm
Anonymous said...

each individual culture has its own history ideas and law, all most of us want to do is retain our own identity, and be able to govern ourselves, is it not true that if the EU parliment votes for something and it was pushed through by say italy and germany is that not any different to being under facist rule 60 yrs ago ie they get what the want for europe? just a thought

16/7/06 11:33 pm
Anonymous said...

That is an argument for shifting power from the governments of the member states to the European parliament. We need more democracy and less input from national politicians.

Do you think the electorate anywhere in Europe would elect a government that wants to abolish democracy? Sounds like a good reason for reducing national sovereignty so that cannot happen.

I do get the impression you have difficulty with change. The world has moved on from the 1920s and 30s. The far off country of which Chamberlain know nothing now is a popular destination for weekend breaks. The worlds a village.

17/7/06 1:52 am
Anonymous said...

chamberlain did he not come back from a european country and say something like "peace in our" proves my point! you can keep a healthy friendly relationship with neighbours but still keep your own house.

17/7/06 8:19 pm
Anonymous said...

Was it peace in our time? Chamberlain thought that if Germany was expanded so that the Sudatenland was within its boundaries everything would be hunky-dory. How wrong can you get? World War 2 broke out the next year.

If you think this proves you are right and its the way to go I had better start digging a shelter.

18/7/06 12:14 pm
Anonymous said...

a grave perhaps?

20/7/06 5:48 pm
Anonymous said...

A lot of the later posts in this thread seem to assume "we" own this country. Who's we? What qualification gives us control. From where I sit it looks like a tiny minority with wealth and power. Waving your little England flag just makes them smile indulgently as they carry on tweaking the puppet strings. Roll on the US of E.
Duncan

22/7/06 10:59 am
Anonymous said...

Its pathetically niaive the way the little englanders use the word "we" as though they participated in decision making. Its also absurd the way the argument is presented as though the UK has some sort of veto over the future of the EU. The choice is not between having a united states of europe or having 30 odd ruritanian states. It between having a united europe including the UK or one without the UK.

The latter leaves the UK to dangle between two mega powers, the US and the EU, rather like Poland used to be trapped between Germany and Russia, with them both taking it in turns to help themselves to our assets.

22/7/06 8:25 pm

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