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Friday, October 06, 2006

Tory trauma?

Listening to David Blair's speech I found myself rather confused.
Not only had I used the wrong - politically correct - last name - I think the clone has adopted the last name of Cameron.
He sounded like he loves people on benefits, people from foreign lands who come here to do the jobs we're too lazy to do, and he's going to increase the spending on the NHS even further.
I'm not saying that I beleive him, but what are all the rusty old Tories going to do?

As an aside, much of the Tory media is making something out of Labour being a bunch of Scots.
Cameron - that's a good old english name - isn't it?

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Posted by Anonymous to swanage view at 10/05/2006 10:42:18 PM

79 comments:

Anonymous said...: Bless 'em, the tories are so desperate for power they would make Lenin their leader if they thought it would work.

The move they made to the right in the 70s was more than the tactical shifting around we are seeing now. There was a general sense of crisis in the 1970s. At that time inflation was regarded as the major problem and the answer proposed by economists was to increase unemployment. I have articles written by learned econometricians in the 70s discussing how many million it needed to be to get any particular level of inflation. This required the emasculation of the trade unions who naturally enough then became very wicked so far as the right wing papers were concerned.

The outlook of a generation of tories was formed in this crisis, just as a more humane outlook had been formed in the face of the depression in the 1930s. The world has moved on of course, except for those whose minds are still locked on the conflicts of the 1980s, a time when attacks on the welfare dependent and immigrants were an acceptable way of doing politics.; 6/10/06 10:45 am
Anonymous said...: Cameron? If I recall he was an integral part of the "Black Wednesday" team. He was one of those that was instrumental in buying our own money in the international markets at a huge loss. Incurring international debts that we are still repaying.
The economics of the madhouse! He sounds like a bit of a wimp to me.

His speech to the adoring multitude at the conference about mixed marriages went down like a lead balloon. Many of the grey haired old women looked on in stony silence. While many others had a forced, but sickly smile of approval fixed like a mask on their faces.

The nodding donkeys of the front bench dutifully clapped their hands. But their palms never came together, I love Conferences, they are a continuing source of fun.
Did you see the fishing and hunting brigade of girls desperately trying to touch the beloved leaders hand as he left? Who knows what orgasmic dreams that touch will afford?
Come on Conservatives! Is this the best you can do?; 6/10/06 12:04 pm
Anonymous said...: My wife just told me anon of 12.04's mind is as warped as mine.

This is all making me almost nostalgic for the 1980s. 1984 was a good year, reaganomics and all at that and a lot of double talk.

What we are seeing now is the salami principle in action.The left has been destroyed so there is no need for the right to exist to oppose it. The soviet union is rapidly fading into old men's memories. We no longer have the miners or the dockers bringing the country to a halt. What threats are there now from the left? The right wing can be sliced off and put in the dustbin. That leaves the party faithful gasping for air, just as the labour party left have been these last 10 years. The former had their moment in the 80s but in retrospect it was no more than a crisis induced assett stripping regime kept going by favourable circumstances until the early 90s. All you can say is it served its purpose but made no lasting contribution to the political landscape.; 6/10/06 2:24 pm
Anonymous said...: is this local? or just cheap political point scoring as is the norm by the local libdems !
P.S not a tory voter either just a comment; 6/10/06 4:25 pm
Anonymous said...: I wonder what people mean when they say 'cheap political point scoring' . Is a comment 'cheap' because it's stating the obvious? From the evidence of past debates, this site doesn't hold any particular party political view: it seems people are free to say or more less what they like. If someone knocks one party, they're free to respond.; 6/10/06 4:34 pm
Anonymous said...: Much of the above can be explained by:The Phillips curve.

I hope this make everything clear.; 6/10/06 4:35 pm
Anonymous said...: Good point, but most people interpret the Phillips curve as it being demand that causes inflation.

Some e.g. Laffer, believe that it shows that it's growth that cause inflation; 6/10/06 4:39 pm
Anonymous said...: Dear 4:25, the Tory party conference was in B'mouth. This week.
So we have topical, as for local - you judge.; 6/10/06 4:44 pm
Anonymous said...: Dear 4:25
If I were you I wouldn't assume that I'm a lib-dem.
I post frequently - my politics are my own.
As I haven't assumed anything about you please respect that.; 6/10/06 4:48 pm
Anonymous said...: dear 448 perhaps your comments should go to others then who always assume that anyone with slightly right wing ideas are tory the same applies my politics are my own! 2 points tho are you a libdem ? and if we are saying bournemouth is local then my point is valid ie the libdems making a mountain out of a molehill by requiring all coincillors ie cluterbuck to have diversity training due to a stupid email, so you cant have it both ways can you!; 6/10/06 6:51 pm
Anonymous said...: Dear 6:51
I am both 4:44 and 4:48.

my politics are my own. Please don't ask.

Local - I leave it to you to judge, as your argument has only a tenuous logic.

Cluuterbuck must be stupid to press 'send to all', if you want such people in power, that's fine by me.; 6/10/06 7:12 pm
The Postman said...: What's diversity training?; 6/10/06 7:20 pm
Anonymous said...: Take a look at http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/dpr3.pdf#search=%22diversity%20training%22

a document entitled "Training in racism awareness and cultural diversity"; 6/10/06 8:11 pm
Anonymous said...: Cor, thanks.
That was 2 very interseting hours reading a bunch of PC crap.
It's conclusion was traet people as you expect to be treated yourself.

On reflection, maybe some people in Swanage could do with reaiding it.; 6/10/06 10:12 pm
Anonymous said...: My heart goes out to Mr Clutterbuck's ward electors, represented as they are by a man with such a dreadful sense of humour. If there had been an ounce of wit in his email I could sympathise with his position but you have to ask yourself if a man who thinks such a poor joke is funny can command confidence much less respect.; 6/10/06 10:15 pm
Anonymous said...: can we have a time out here, my comment of cheap political point scoring and was it a local issue were aimed at the original posting by the postman if im wrong sorry, but i still feel its cheap shots and was it relevant to the local area. and clutterbuck might be not want you want but for godsake it was a joke then again he could allways be reported to the standards commision after all recently elected libdems are very good at that.; 7/10/06 9:16 am
Anonymous said...: It was I posted the comment that led to the rejoinder "is this local? or just cheap political point scoring as is the norm by the local libdems !
P.S not a tory voter either just a comment".

For the record I have never voted Libdem or supported that party. I am baffled why anyone would say it was cheap point scoring. I was trying to make a serious point and relate the ideology propounded by political party leaders to the economic and historical context prevailing at different times. Within the "word bite" confines of these discussions this had to be reduced to a very few words.

For completeness I should add a bard about the Libdems. They enjoy the luxury of floating effortlessly above the forces which propel the main parties simply because they have had no real constituency since the rise of the labour party in the 1920s. They are not really relevant to politics.

As for localness, I must plead guilty, there is nothing local about this, but in mitigation I plead that I did not start this thread, I only rose to the bait.; 7/10/06 10:47 am
Anonymous said...: As the original poster, cheap poltical point? Yeah, of course. I joined the media who do little except ......

Local issue? As I posted earlier - you decide? As it's about what could be our next Gov't, yeah it's local.

And as for clutterbuck, I take you back to my: 'if you want such people in power, that's fine by me'.

As you seem interested in knowing my politics, I vote in the way that I feel my vote can have most effect.

I have voted Tory, LibDem and Labour.

None of these parties represent what I beleive in, but I feel that as I have the vote, I should use it.; 7/10/06 6:45 pm
Anonymous said...: Suddenly, everything went quiet.; 8/10/06 8:24 pm
Anonymous said...: Everyone's gone to sleep; 9/10/06 7:52 am
Anonymous said...: Ok I will help!
I love conferences, specially the blue rinse brigade. The white haired old Colonels amd the fat smug faces of the business fraternity.

But most of all the Hunting and Fishing Countryside Alliance merchants. You have met them, the over subsidised down at heel in their Rolls and 4 by 4s.

Hows that for a start?; 9/10/06 2:28 pm
Anonymous said...: Sorry about this, but I spent the summer in France and just love starting reminiscences with:

when I was in France, I was speaking to a very nice, polite, well educated Frenchman, who thankfully, spoke perfect English.

Farmers Oop North, he bemoaned, are breeding foxes, so that the English landed gentry can come to France and hunt the bloody things.

God bless the hunting community. They stand for English tradition.
Invading France with their chargers - oh yeah, some take their own steeds - and giving those french foxes the hiding of their lives - or is that deaths.; 9/10/06 7:15 pm
Anonymous said...: I'm annoyed - where are all our right wing loonies - said affectionately.

They seem to be rather quiet, are they on holiday?; 11/10/06 5:57 pm
Anonymous said...: They are all coming round from the conference. All the stony faced blue rinse old harridans have returned to their day time jobs of stickings pins in an effigy of the PM.

The hunting and fishing girls are at home sighing over a photo of that very pretty Mr Cameron.

I think he's pretty! he would look wonderful in some purple satin knee breeches, with elastic at the knees and a little ruffled purple blouse. Skipping along with his stick and his hoop. Suits him!

All the front bench opposition nodding donkeys are having medical treatment. All that faithfull and continuous nodding has caused some structural neck damage.

I'm not surprised, they outdid those toy nodding dogs you see in the back of cars.

That Mr Cameron, I hear is having extra evening arithmetic lessons so that he can avoid the Black Wednesday farce he was involved in last time.

The Colonels? Oh they are away doing what all old Colonels do. Moaning.
Big grin! :) :); 11/10/06 7:06 pm
Anonymous said...: Excellent, that's better. As a true blue tory I spend the conference season abroad with my pet fox.
Sadly, it didn't make the return journey. Reminiscent of all my brave young friends who never returned from Dunkirk.
Hang on, I'm omly 65, was I at Dunkirk?; 11/10/06 7:20 pm
Anonymous said...: we have all left the tories now and are BNP members.; 12/10/06 12:12 am
Anonymous said...: What a shame that the BNP are way out. For I can see no other party that is willing to stop the ever increasing hords of illegals that come here. Or to prevent the march of aggresive Islam that threatens the native Christians with terrorism.
What about home rule for the isle of Purbeck? Sounds good to me.; 12/10/06 8:11 am
Anonymous said...: couln't agree more, I can hardly make myself understood in local shops these days, and I speak as slowly and as loudly as I possibly can to give johnny foreigner a chance to learn the mother tongue.

And for the number of people using their prayer mats in Station Rd and praising Allah, well it's quite ridiculous.

An independant IoP? Well, we tried that back in the '70's when we discovered oil, let's do it again, I'll man the barricades on Wed between 11 and one, but only if it's not cold and raining.

Off to find my .303 and polish it up.; 12/10/06 11:41 am
Anonymous said...: ahh good to see your keen and not going to rely on all us true englishmen when it hits the fan, glad your on board.; 12/10/06 3:39 pm
Anonymous said...: Dear 3.39

am I misinterpetting you, or are you suggesting that my Englishness, may noy be pure?

Yours 11.41; 12/10/06 7:05 pm
Anonymous said...: We seem to be drifting away from Mr Cameron's efforts to re-animate this particular dead parrot.

Is there a future for Tweedledum/Tweedledee politics? The latest opinion survey says theres a majority in favour of scrapping the whole charade.Party membership of both main parties is close to collapse and as we have seen with the funding scandals in both parties they have made a familiar progress from having no visible means of support to living on immoral earnings.; 12/10/06 11:26 pm
Anonymous said...: im sure your englishnes is pure perhaps we can arrange for it to be tested, after all we have to be carefull, as for the 2 main parties what is the alternative a party that was run by an alcoholic, and mps that like rent boys, mmmm not much bloody hope is there?; 13/10/06 12:52 am
Anonymous said...: Good Heavens, you don't think I was advocating the LibDems do you? They are irrelevant, no I was making a different point. For the last 90 years we have had a left/right divide, with labour offering a home grown and much diluted bolshevism crossed with non-conformism against the tory model of vaguely enlightened paternalism. There is no market for either now so they are both fighting for the support of the apolitical centre. Expect either something like the US system with no real policy differences or 20 years of coalition.

By the way, its not me posting about Englishness. I will go along with the definition used to justify hanging William Joyce (Lord Haw Haw) who was an Irish citizen living in Germany. The excuse was that as he had once applied for a British passport he had asked for the protection of the crown and so could be treated as British. Being British consists of enjoying the protection of the crown. Simple really. End of story.; 13/10/06 10:22 am
Anonymous said...: That last posting is so annoying - it's sensible.

We have no time for sense here in the Tory National Purbeck Party.

Down with sense and be common.; 13/10/06 4:17 pm
Anonymous said...: Sorry, a slight error crept in. Joyce was a US citizen although he grew up in Ireland (in a catholic loyalist household which must have been very confusing). He had a British passport but became a naturalised German. He was never naturalised in the UK but was regarded as sufficiently British to be guilty of an offence against UK law while he was living in Germany.; 13/10/06 4:43 pm
Anonymous said...: Dear 12 52

how are you going to test my englishness?; 13/10/06 5:18 pm
Anonymous said...: we cant tell you unless you join the group sorry, the training is very hard, and lots of reading, and homework then the final exam. we also check your blood line at least 4 generations of pure blood.; 14/10/06 9:31 am
Anonymous said...: Only 4 generations of pure blood!

I'd be worried that you may stil have sleepers from the Boer war, or even WW1.
I think you need to reassess 'pureness'.; 14/10/06 12:02 pm
Anonymous said...: When did you split from the dog breeders club?; 14/10/06 2:01 pm
Anonymous said...: First of all someone suggests that I'm not english, now someone's calling me a poodle fancier.

Woof alors.; 14/10/06 5:46 pm
Anonymous said...: Oh, now c'mon.
Sit.; 16/10/06 10:24 pm
Anonymous said...: After a period of peace and quiet I began to wonder.
The Tories, must have recovered from their fundamentalist praise of Allah, sorry, David. P'raps their off hunting foxes.
No doubt the Lib-Dems are preparing for Gov't, or just confused.
Labour - preparing for (un)civil war when Tone retires.
So what are all you Neo: Nazi's, Commies and Anarchists up to?; 21/10/06 5:47 pm
Anonymous said...: im painting my muslims out banners what about you?; 21/10/06 7:15 pm
Anonymous said...: I think we should welcome all people who come here to widen our gene pool.; 21/10/06 8:08 pm
Anonymous said...: gene pool ehh well they wont mix with us indeginous people personally thats a blessing; 21/10/06 11:32 pm
Anonymous said...: Why? Would you find it worrying to mix with a different culture and maybe have some of yours views questioned.; 22/10/06 1:12 pm
Anonymous said...: ummm like the abuse of women, and other barbaric ideas, but then again the catholic church has not a lot to be proud of. Im happy whith just mingling with the ideginous inhabitants you do your thing ill do mine.
PS dont come to me for help when your ideals go tit$ up either ok.; 23/10/06 1:10 am
Anonymous said...: Britain has so much to boast of when it comes to abuse of women doesnt it. Come off it. Look at our track record for a moment. Rape within marriage was perfectly legal until 1991. I can still remember the bleats of "political correctness gone mad" when that changed. Wife beaters could rely on the police taking no interest in their activities until very much the same time. Its still legal to thump your children as long as you don't leave too many marks.

Returning to the original subject of this thread it was interesting to hear the tory home affairs guy on the radio the other day discussing the reluctance of te great british public to intervene when it sees a crime being committed. His vocabulary was all about "authority" and obedience. There was no content to his remarks of course. What it shows is that despite Cameron's posturing as a Blair clone the tory mindset has not really altered. Its very much stuck at the dog training level. The assumption is that "I give the orders, you do as you are told" is still a viable approach to the young. They really don't know the world has changed poor things.; 23/10/06 10:11 am
Anonymous said...: Cheers 10:11, nice to see another liberally minded person in BH19.

I was going to stand up for our long history of treating people fairly.

Y'know the Witchcraft Act of 1563, of course men could be called withches then as well.

To show how enlightened we were, torture wasn't allowed, but "torture" could be sleep deprivationn.

'In one instance, John Lowe, 70-year-old vicar of Brandeston, was "swum in the moat," kept awake for three days and nights, and then forced to walk without rest until his feet were blistered. Denied benefit of clergy, Lowe recited his own burial service on the way to the gallows'.

http://www.shanmonster.com/witch/hunters/hopkins.html

Phew, aren't we lucky nowadays.

How about are Victorian forefathers?

Didn't women have to keep themselves covered up?

Wasn't an ankle deemed risque?

Now what does that remind me of?

I seem to remember that we invented Concentration camps in South Africa as well.; 23/10/06 5:51 pm
Anonymous said...: but dont you think civilised people move on and change? perhaps it was acceptable to shove kids up a chimney 150 yrs ago but now its not! why because we became aware that this was unacceptable, ergo why has not certain cultures changed now? becuase they still find it acceptable to do this. Im affraid some people will not see certain cultures criticesed but then allow our to be attacked and abused. all cultures have things in their past that would horrify today but most change dont defend those that will not. did you ever work for the BBC ? they talk like you.; 23/10/06 6:42 pm
Anonymous said...: I find the BBC rather right wing actually.

Of course civilised people move on and change.

You said that it was acceptable to put kids up chimneys 150 yrs ago.

That's a judgement.

It's actually never been acceptable to put kids up a chimney.

It was a situation that was allowed to happen - please don't accuse me of having middle class lib-dem views - look back in history and you might just find where my views come from.

Another thing that you seem to struggle with is that I'll never criticise the UK unless people start to criticise other cultures.

Then I'll try to rebalance - all cultures have faults - and strengths.

As a generalisation, no culture is better than another - all have strengths and weaknesses.; 23/10/06 9:02 pm
Anonymous said...: I was talking about 15 years ago, not 150. Before 1991 you could rape your wife with impunity. A few years earlier you could beat her up if you felt like it. A "domestic" it was called. Thats not ancient history, its our "civilised" society. You can still subject your children to an assault that would get you a fair term of imprisonment if you did it to an adult. Ask yourself whether the English are regarded as particularly civilised in other countries. You must be joking!

As Ghandi said when asked his opinion of western civilisation, "it would be a good idea."

Unfortunately those who embark on a critique of other cultures always seem to think it has to be done by pretending their own is better and somehow sets the standard to judge others by. Its a very colonial attitude really harking back 150 years or so to when Britain justified stealing most of the planet from its inhabitants with the alibi that it was civilising them. I suppose you grew up imbibing this attitude and would rather not question it.; 23/10/06 10:46 pm
Anonymous said...: i dont really give a toss what a culture does in other countries what concerns me is when they try to impose that will on me in my country, and when due to various left wing ideals we are not alowed to critise if i walked around swanage with a placard saying behead all those that insult christ what do you think would happen yes i would be arrested and charged but it seems other cultures are allowed to do the same the same cultures who do treat their women as 2nd class and also still advocate violence and barbarity. we as a people and a nation have become prisoners of our own free speech well im not willing to let it go.
PS one of my best friends is muslim and he agrees that most of what i say is just and true, he like me thinks harmony and acceptance is the way forward. DO YOU?; 24/10/06 9:10 am
Anonymous said...: I'm all for harmony and acceptance.I enjoy meeting people with other cultures. When I lived in London it was in an area with just about every culture under the sun. I was quite surprised when I came to Swanage and found you can't couldn't buy Diwali cards here and that we are miles from a mosque, temple or synagogue.

It would be a good thing if we had more cultures here, then perhaps there would be fewer ignorant remarks.

Its funny how all sorts of closet feminists are popping up when there is some Islam bashing to be done. I don't remember them being in the vanguard of the women's movement when Germaine Greer was making waves about the way women are treated.; 24/10/06 2:40 pm
Anonymous said...: Cor, 9:10's a tad confused.

His mate says harmony and acceptence are the way forward - too right, why not take your friends advice?; 24/10/06 5:38 pm
Anonymous said...: They right wingers baint got no stumak fur a skrap av ey; 27/10/06 5:23 pm
Anonymous said...: no but you leftwingers gonna need us boys soon, but then again we are making notes of the patriots are you on our list?; 28/10/06 10:11 am
Anonymous said...: Whatever are we going to need you for apart from some light relief? Is there some sort of far right "our day will come" mythology with a frei corps battling revolutionaries in the streets of downtown armeggedon? Which scapegoats are you planning to lynch this time?; 28/10/06 10:49 am
Anonymous said...: god this is fun, my vision of a lefty, on benefits plays the guitar, works perhaps writting articles for various music papers, dont like to hear the truth, cant abide open discusiion, usually bad tempered, needs to belittle hard working people and probably lives in social housing .............your turn; 28/10/06 1:21 pm
Anonymous said...: Re read 10:49 will you.; 28/10/06 3:10 pm
Anonymous said...: Someone has a wonderful stereotype of the left. The average leftist has an American salary, employs a French chef, has a beautiful Chinese wife and a nice house in London. The average right winger in contrast earns a Chinese salary, has to put up with an English cook and lives in France with an American wife.; 28/10/06 3:32 pm
Anonymous said...: Someone has a wonderful stereotype of the left. The average leftist has an American salary, employs a French chef, has a beautiful Chinese wife and a nice house in London. The average right winger in contrast earns a Chinese salary, has to put up with an English cook and lives in France with an American wife.; 28/10/06 3:33 pm
Anonymous said...: cant re read 1049 someone keeps repeating themselves. but it is fun doing this on a damp october saturday afternoon. after all bloody bournemouth lost.1-0
SOH wheres that gone nowadays?; 28/10/06 5:10 pm
Anonymous said...: Who cares how the metropolis did.; 28/10/06 5:42 pm
Anonymous said...: You call it SOH, the re-read 10:49 comment is SOH, your comment ......; 28/10/06 5:54 pm
Anonymous said...: does not superman come from metroplis? and do you know what SOH means or is the medication not kicked in yet it was a general thing to say about the whole thread. or are you drunk again.; 29/10/06 1:21 pm
Anonymous said...: Well if your comment:

does not superman come from metroplis?

defines humour, then I/m happy with my meds and my alcohol, and being grumpy.; 29/10/06 2:16 pm
Anonymous said...: well good for you, at least you admit to being on meds and grumpy thanks at last.; 29/10/06 4:53 pm
Anonymous said...: Sorry to be just so wrong.
I thought it was you that had no SOH, but your wit and repartee just leave me rolling in the aisles.; 29/10/06 6:20 pm
Anonymous said...: you sure its my wit and repartee making you roll around and not the meds and the fact you are drunk ?; 29/10/06 6:48 pm
Anonymous said...: You seem to be the one who enjoys making judgements - I'll leave it up to you.; 29/10/06 8:17 pm
Anonymous said...: i asked the question with a ? not made a judgement; 29/10/06 10:55 pm
Anonymous said...: I'm not sure how stupid, or otherwise, you are; but by asking leading questions, that hope for a, Yes, No answer, is judgemental.; 30/10/06 5:46 pm
Anonymous said...: so if i ask do you live in swanage yes or no do you beleive in abortion yes or no do you drink yes or no thats judgemental, I thought that was called a straight answer to a straight question, sorry if im wrong obviously just a god ole local boy not used to your bull c^ap.; 31/10/06 7:26 am
Anonymous said...: ive been away for a few weeks and its nice to catch up.
except for 7:26, who i assume is 10:55 etc
what a pillock.; 5/11/06 8:23 pm
Anonymous said...: glad your back moron where have you been? if you want to be childish and start calling people names lets go for it you left wing sundried tomatoe eating cretin ehhhh is that better,; 6/11/06 9:45 am
The Postman said...: Any chance of conducting debate in a slightly more civilised manner? I for one stop reading when it descends into non-stop abuse.; 6/11/06 10:06 am
Anonymous said...: im all for that but when someone says ive been away and then calls a poster a pillock dont you think thats bad i responded in a tad of sarcasm. funny how my posting always get lots of posts in response after all i do try and create open debate.; 6/11/06 2:01 pm
Anonymous said...: Im 8:23 and apologise for using pillock.
that was my first posting on this thread - what a strange response from 9:45.

And as for open debate!
I'm off to another thread.; 6/11/06 6:26 pm

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