The results for the by-election to elect replacements for the Conservative councillor who was disqualified:
Purbeck District Council: Swanage South
BARTLETT, Cherry Ann
Labour Party Candidate
363
CHENNELL, Anita Irene
Liberal Democrat
409
PRATT, Michael William
The Conservative Party Candidate
642 Elected
Swanage Town Council: Swanage South
CHENNELL, Anita Irene
Liberal Democrat
480
HOLMES, Thomas Henry
Labour Party Candidate
255
TURNER, Alison
The Conservative Party Candidate
673 Elected
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Serves the lib dems right (wether we wanted a con coincillor or not) again they ran a vicious spitefull campaign against one ex councillor, rather on their own policies, people were totally fed up with this hate and bile, well done the 2 elected councillors, as an american friend of mine used to say " you got your as**s handed to you on a plate".... at least my recyling bin wont be full up after all the libdem leaflets i had pushed in the letter box.
I have to say the recent discussion on this topic was certainly not intended to be "a vicious spiteful campaign against one ex-councillor". As much as anyone, I personally would like to move on from this subject. The trouble is that the real issues were never properly addressed. It's certainly never been personal. We all know and acknowledge thatthe individual in question has done a lot of good work. The serious points were not about using bad language: it was about what the tribunal called a 'culture of bullying' at the Council, and about not declaring personal interests by trying to have public reports changed to suit an individual. The reason the matter kept being raised was because these points were continually ignored by the media and not acknowledged as failings by the Conservative-led council. And we felt people had a right to know facts that they were not getting elsewhere. But I want to stop talking about it NOW!
So you have your say and thats the end of the subject is it, well I feel the local press covered it fairly well, all the libdem leaflets mentioned the tory party ex councillor and quotes like its a 2 horse race the libdems or the disquallified councillors party, the libdems got what they deserved NOTHING! if people wanted to take the libdems election leaflets to the extreme it should have read its the disqualified councillors paty or us recently led by an alcoholic or a leadership hopefull who likes ?? what are they called rentboys? those in glass houses should not throw stones. As Im sure the local tories are saying (and I'm not one) "revenge is a dish best served cold"
Well, it is a democracy after all. And if the people of Swanage want a council that has 10 Conservatives and 2 Others, and don't feel the imbalance is unhealthy, then that's their right, right enough.
If you put up a donkey to stand for the Conservatives in Swanage the good people of Swanage would vote for it and be happy with their representative!
The toroes have never had a reputation for being the thinking party, and so it isn't surprising their voters do not seem to be able to work these things out. Their fathers and mothers voted Conservative and so do they, regardless of the selfish politics pursued by that party.
The local press completely ignored the disgraceful incidents which resulted in the removal of a tory councillor while her colleagues seem to be so accustomed to abuse of office that they can't see that she did anything wrong and the conservative voters are completely blinkered.
Since when has telling the truth been vicious and spiteful. The lib-dems seem to have been trying to inform the people what had happened as our so called local newspaper would not.
I am not a lib-dem supporter but how can democracy function if these issues are not given a full exposure. We should all support them on this.
the truth was out there, its a small town ANYONE could have got hold of the boards findings and conclusions, I'm not a tory supporter but rather than fight the election on policies and other subjects like that it was a constant barage of anti JW propaganda, if you read the tory leaflets they all said they support the boards right and accept the decission ( might not agree but accept) But also to say that tories voted that way because their parents did that also applies to labour voters more so I think?. but surely the libdems and their supporters have been taught a lesson, and the original poster is still being inflamatry by titeling his post the way he did, surely if the topic was finnished the posting should have read results held from recent by election? if you dont want the pot to boil dont turn up the heat!
In bye-elections for town and district councils caused by a councillor being given the push for miss-behaviour its hard to see what else the campaign could have been fought on expect standards.
When people say a council election should be fought on policies they usually mean it should be a gallop poll on the popularity of the government. Look at the decision making powers of the town council. How can you find anything there that relates to party policy?
The vast majority of Swanage residents rely on the Advertiser to tell them what is happening. In this instance it let them down. We got little more than polite political obituaries and shouts of "we wuz robbed" from the JW camp. Not exactly investigative journalism.
By the way, did you read different tory leaflets to the ones that I saw? There was precious little about policy in mine.
Rightly or wrongly local politics are about personality. A few years ago we had a candidate who gave his party as "retired lifeboat cockswain" and was swept into office with a huge vote.
I don't know if this is postable or not.
Stories I have been told by concillors past and present.
The councillor who got into trouble, with their peers for NOT claiming their full expenses.
The councillor who votes one way at town and the other at district and thus can 'prove' that they voted the way their interogator wnated.
The councillor who visits care homes just before elections to ensure support.
And another that I cant tell because it would be very obvious who was blackmailed - not finacially - by a fellow concillor.
That last post was absolutely nothing to do with Keith Roker. I am currently in Surfer using a computer on which I guess he'd been checking swanageview.
I'd like to apologise to Keith and stress that it has nothing to do with him.
the interesting thing abt this election was how many voters stayed away.
a turnout of just 30 %. compared to 41 in may.
with a swing from Con to lib Dem of about 1 % in a month.
that's the worst of behavior such as caused the compalint to the standareds board.
it causes people generally to think less of those in politics and to suspect their motivs in standng for cncils.
bottom line is that the libdems got what they deserved nil zilch nowt s*d all. If they had had good policies and canvassed on those surley they would be 2 councillors to the better today they did not! I know at least 6 people who voted tory just because of what the libdems did. sour grapes springs to mind. anyway theres more interesting things to do than chat about libdems like sticking my fingers in a mincer. ouchhhhhh
ohhh sorry kieth if you rely on the advertiser for your news !!! sad man as I said the libdems put up enough links so you could and anyone for that matter could have got hold of a copy of the boards findings so dont blame lack of knowledge. lack ofinterest maybe but not lack of knowledge
Do you mind. I posted the link to the panel's decision in the JW case so Swanageview readers could read the whole decision and not rely on the Advertiser's partial reportage.
Since when did we ever see a local election fought on policy issues? Perhaps swanageview readers with long memories could tell us. Its 90% party loyalty and 10% personality.
well then if you posted the link, why are you wittering on about not being reported, after al the local weekly is called the ADVERTISER does that not give it away keith or am i missing something?
Yes, although you keep yourself informed by reading swanageview I suspect that puts you in a pretty samll minority. Most people rely on the Advertiser for local news. It is part of the Echo group and actually has journalists. Did you miss its jounalistic pretensions because it does not do a very good job of reporting local issues? The stories they carry are often the same ones that have appeared in the Echo.
What annoys me about the Advertiser is that on a number of PDC issues it has simply regurgitated the spin on the facts given them by the council, or its leadership and has made no attempt to base its reports on the original facts of the case.
By the way, did you read through the standards board report on JW yourself. They were pretty unimpressed by her, to put it mildly. As her supporters attempted to dismiss the hearing as a kangeroo court did you go to the trouble of reading the document laying down the procedure for these hearings so you could decide for yourself whether this was true? Bet you didn't.
Im not interested in who said what JW has been disqulified and thats it old news etc the point I was making is that the document is available for people to read, either in hard copy or here on the NET. the other point I was making is that the libdems used as their main election point the behaviour of JW, not their policies, ergo they did not get elected people did not like it wether they liked JW/tories or not. Jw has been punished both in having to give up her seat and I expect £££££ as well, time to leave her alone and move on. also the headline on this subject was imflamatory, as I have said before. by the way keith I did not vote tory!
Keith dont you think the advertiser publishes enough news quality material then ? do you think it should be more news worthy ?
Yep.
Sorry, I was interrupted.
As I have said the Advertiser purports to be a newspaper. More news would therefore be a good thing. Proper journalism wouldn't be a bad idea either.
The Advertiser has a huge income from estate agents adverts and could certianly afford to do the job properly.
Unfortunately most people are not willing to ferret around for information and expect it to be served up to them in an easily assimilated form. When there is an election they have to make a decision and I would rather it were an informed decision.
As for the lib-dems, did they do any worse here than elsewhere. I had the impression that their new leader had not been particularly well received by the public and their vote reflected this. Does anyone have figures that contradict this?
Keith, sorry to burst your bubble but I think Im correct in saying that the advertiser is NOT allowed to publish a great % of news items so you will never get the full story on lots of things.
Thats interesting, can you expand on it. How do you mean "not allowed to publish a great % of news stories." Who or what is stopping them? What have I missed?
I was more concerned with the slack standards of journalism in what they do publish. Are you saying there are local stories they are prevented from airing?
acoording to my sources as its a FREE newspaper theres a lot of material that cannot be published, we as the public have an option to buy daily paers ie a freedom of choice free papers appear through the letter box ie anyone could read the contrevesial stories hence a gagging on these stories.... interseting ehhhh and the advertiser is owned by a company in america. therefore the reporters tend to only gloss on stories
surely the avertiser is just a feel good about swanage vehicle. Mind you finding interesting things to write about in Swanage every week might not be the easiest of jobs.
There's nothing to prevent the advertiser being a decent newspaper.
Lots of free papers around the country are very much better than what Swanage is being fobbed off with.
Some free newspapers have done some good investigative reporting.
But the advertiser doesn't seem inclined to bite any hand that might feed it.
But then the local daily paper doesn't seem very able or willing to publish interesting local news.
I can't say I recall anything particularly hard-hitting about Swanage appearing in the Daily Echo, which after all is the paid for version of the Advertiser. Its equally bland.
Instead of establishing the facts and writing stories about them we have a paper that took a shortcut in the cases I have discussed and wrote its stories round councillor's reaction to the facts and not about the facts. This means that what got on the front page was spin and not news.
re the advertiser I ws in Weymouth the other day and read a long piece in the evening paper down there about swanages beach huts and how the council had tried and failed to get rid of some of the huts that people have bought to go on the beach thats something i've not seen in the advertiser but would have thougt that as something of local interest it wd hav been.
It makes you wonder as they are owned by the same group.
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