Wednesday, August 08, 2012

The water cooler

OK, THIS is the place for general chit-chat.

PLEASE leave 'New subjects' JUST for suggestions of new topics that may, or may not, get posted (and don't run a debate there); it gets difficult for me to manage otherwise. If it gets too much of a pain, I'll just have to close the site down or something.

Mike

47 comments:

David Furmage said...

The Olyimpic Legacy

So with Team GB doing so well in the games , do we think it will leave a legacy for youngsters to follow the dreams of what our athletes have done over the last week and take up sports? Should schools commit more to PE , should employers give people more leeway if they want to take up sports professionally ? Should we bring back Dickie Davis and put more sports on tv instead of the constant drivel we have on now ? Just a thought!

Anonymous said...

When I was at school ten years ago PE was a bit rubbish.

Thankfully I took PE Studies at GCSE and was in a couple of school teams so did plenty but the actual core/curriculum PE was 2 lessons a week, about 40 mins long each.

Teachers were good but when they had to take 15 mins at the start registering then dealing with all the idiots with fake notes or who had 'forgotten' kit and then 10 mins changing at the end the lesson was about 20 mins of actual PE.

Luckily in our last 2 years our PE lesson came straight after lunch and the teacher just let us stay down on the astro playing football and would register us later and deal with the prats while we got on with it.

Schools should commit more definatley and I think these olympics will inspire alot of people, not just kids, to get involved.

And in comparison to the majority of football pundits who just seem dull and unknowledgable the olympic pundits and commentators have been excellent.

phil bird said...

There will be a legacy for our youngsters, I think, because after seeing blanket coverage on the tele hopefully the people will demand it.
However most of any new facilities will be provided in areas where the catchment area is 360 degrees and not 180 as we have here in Swanage.
It should be noted of course, that we have excellent running, rowing and sailing clubs here in Swanage as well as the Wareham Sports Centre and Swanage Football Club. Plenty for the kids and adults to get involved in.
I would like to suggest a bikeway from Swanage to the Ferry. As was demonstrated a couple of days ago the road is so dangerous and awful for the hundreds of cyclists who use it.

Anonymous said...

A cycleway to the ferry would be very good. Its a pity the road is not wider so there could be lanes for bikes. It would be interesting to know how PDC view it as they are keen on bike provision. I can't help thinking the practical problems have deterred thm.

David Furmage said...

I have myself emailed many of our local councillors about the Times safer cycling manifesto a while back with only 2 of them that replied. One said were are too late for this and the other said it's not possible anyway in the purbeck to put cycle paths in and the fact there are hills aswell .So that's that then. So if its not possible to accommodate cyclists then only other thing to do is drop the speed limit in rural areas to 20mph throughout. And it is wide enough to run paths along the ferry road. Look at all that gravel on each side:)

Our local running club , sailing and rowers are great , though how much funding could they get to make them better. Also we have a swimming pool aswell could they ask for funding. Could funding be given to set up a cycling club?

Anonymous said...

What if bicycles were taxed in the same way as motor vehicles, after all The ROAD FUND License was introduced to pay for the roads and the tax on road fuel for the up keep on the basis the more fuel equals more road useage.
RobO

David Furmage said...

Cyclists do pay tax on their wages and there's no such thing as road tax :) plus cyclists don't use fuel.

David Furmage said...

Oh and can I also add most cyclists do own cars :)

Anonymous said...

Ahh mr Furmage again, spouting that cyclist are the second comming.

Like those two morons who turned in front of me last week between sandford middle and holton heath lights, like the 3 30 something gents who rode on the pavement outsie the mullberry gallery as i came out of the door. Like the two who rode the wrong way along station road. and last of all for this week the getout the FFFFFFF way shout as I walked past costa coffee in poole. the ones the police ignore!

David Furmage said...

Always a few that spoil it , you get them in all walks of life. You also get drivers that kill cyclists , and you get drivers that ram bikes off the road and get away with it cos no one was hurt:( riding on a pavement and someone getting killed 2 different things I reckon. Plus not spouting but after all we have done in all cycling sports I reckon we should fund more and make it safer for our younger generation to take it up and enjoy it. Not fear it:)

Anonymous said...

I see there was an incident in institute rd on weds night (330am ish)IMHO I think this is to do with cheap booze being sold in the club.

Anonymous said...

IMHO I think this is to do with cheap booze being sold in the club.

Was nothing to do with the club. So in all honesty I'd get your facts right before you start spouting nonsense that could damage peoples livelyhoods.

Anonymous said...

Was nothing to do with the club. So in all honesty I'd get your facts right before you start spouting nonsense that could damage peoples livelyhoods.

So what you are saying is that all those involved were out and about at 330 am going about their lawfull bussiness? I think not and its obvious that someone from the club wrote the above. If you think that £2 per beer and a £1 a shot is responsibile retailing you are a idiot, it is barely above the retail price per unit. Perhaps you should be aware of your facts I am!!!!!! Its about time the club and the eastbar upped their game if you want I can recant a lot of bad Cr"" about those places. who in their right mind fuels up people at those prices!!!! We Love wedesdays!

Anonymous said...

These incidents are most frequent on nights when the club is open late. Anyone who dismisses a connection must think we are fools. That is not to say there is never an incident not involving its customers but claiming it is all an unfortunate coincidence is beyond credibility.

Anonymous said...

So what you are saying is that all those involved were out and about at 330 am going about their lawfull bussiness? I think not and its obvious that someone from the club wrote the above. If you think that £2 per beer and a £1 a shot is responsibile retailing you are a idiot, it is barely above the retail price per unit. Perhaps you should be aware of your facts I am!!!!!! Its about time the club and the eastbar upped their game if you want I can recant a lot of bad Cr"" about those places. who in their right mind fuels up people at those prices!!!! We Love wedesdays!

I'm not from the club, infact Mike from the club, if he posts on here, always puts his name to it.

Yea, the drinks may be cheap but why are the people slinging it down their gullets not held responsible? No-ones forcing it down their necks.

Yet again you seem to be another from the 'where there's blame there's a claim' culture.

While I don't doubt that drinking in pubs makes people get fighty I think it's unfair to associate this incident to it when you clearly haven't got a clue about the situation.

But facts and evidence won't get in your way, you have accused me of 'being from the club' when that isn't true in the slightest.

Anonymous said...

It's not rocket science is it? If people were not leaving bars/clubs in the early hours, there probably wouldn't be drunks hanging around at that time, would there?

Anonymous said...

No, they'd just do the same things, just go out earlier and leave earlier.

Still drink the same amount, still do the same things it would just happen at 12/1 rather than 2/3.

Anonymous said...

At least the people who live nearby would not get woken up by the noise at 2 and 3 in the morning That would defuse the situation quite considerably.

phil bird said...

Cheap booze.
Should a pub or club be held responsible for selling cheap booze to fuel up youngsters ?
Should a supermarket or corner shop be held responsible for selling cheap booze to fuel up youngsters ?
Is it ok for a youngster to buy a small cheap bottle of vodka late in the evening from a shop, drink it then have one drink in a pub and then on the way home cause trouble?
After all the pub will get the blame yet possibly have only sold one drink !
It seems some writers on here always blame the last place visited.
It is always assumed, for the last 35 years (and before ) that any noise or disturbance is caused by the Lower High Street premises regardless if they are open or closed !
Even when the Club was closed for six weeks to repair the damage caused by Wessex Water it got the blame for night time disturbance, mostly caused by late night house parties and certain restaurants taking advantage of the Clubs closure.
Yes of course these premises, as are any other outlet in Swanage selling drink, part of the problem exacerbated by Tessa Jowell, the Labour Party's Culture Secretary at the time, changing the licensing hours in 2005 moving towards a 24 hour society most people didn't want.
Responsible retailing ? Legion approx.. £2.20 a pint and Conservative Club similar. Ok for them to sell cheap or are they idiots as well ?
I abhor vandalism etc in any form but you are always going to get some idiots who can't behave and its no use just blaming one or two establishments. After all with extended laws the trouble makers could have been anywhere as in the recent trouble in Institute Road proved.
Many of the people growing up in Swanage have passed through these establishments at one time or another. In fact many have worked in them as well and now their kids are doing the same.
The majority are great kids just out to enjoy themselves just like we did.

Anonymous said...

Mr Bird selling cheap drinks means people drink more for less money, thats a fact not fiction do you think you should sell cheap alcohol just because tescos do? nothing wrong with having a few beers, but when a teen can get sughtered for £12 its a bit suss. again how can they justify it?
I beleive that the club selling booze this cheap is being a iresponsible retailer. and for those saying its not our fault they tip it down their throat well it bloody well is! if it was sold at a the correct rate I am more tha confident people would not consume so much.

Anonymous said...

I'd much rather listen to Mr Bird on this subject as he's got years of experience in it and knows what he's talking about than listen to someone who clearly doesn't have a clue.

No-ones saying they should sell it cheap just because Tesco's do, but what Phil is trying to say is you have no idea who drunk what where. These people who cause trouble could do what many young people do and what I did at uni, buy a load of cheap supermarket booze and drink it at home and head out and have one or two in a pub/club. Who's responsible then?

The drink may be cheap but I've not seen a barman rip the money from someones wallet, grab hold of them, tip their head back and chuck the booze down the customers neck.

People should know their limits and have some personal responisbility rather than your world where everyone passes the buck and blames someone else.

One final note, if the club, or in fact any other pub anywhere in the country, were behaving irresponsibly they would be somehwere between having their license reviewd and their license taken away.

phil bird said...

Mr Anonymous of the 12/8
In my post the first paragraph asked three questions which you seem to have missed.
Of course the whole idea, of selling any product be it drink, cigarettes, chocolate, two for one etc is to sell more and promotional nights in bars and clubs is another.
I don't condone any of it but to single out one or two bars because they are the last to be visited is rather discriminating.
Its naive to think that an area with seven pubs, numerous eating places and a corner shop selling alcohol won't attract noisy people whatever the price.

Anonymous said...

'Beach sex attack on 10-year-old girl

9:03am Sunday 12th August 2012 in News

POLICE are hunting a man who sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl on Studland beach.

Officers were called to a report of the attack at 6pm on Friday.

A Dorset Police spokesman said: “The girl was playing in the sand dunes when she was approached by the suspect, who sexually assaulted her.”

The suspect was described as aged 50 to 70, with brown hair and a hare-lip.

He wore a green jacket and sunglasses and carried a back pack.

Police asked anyone with information to contact Bournemouth CID on 101 and ask for Det Sgt Wright regarding incident 551/10. '

Is it not well past time that this 'nudist beach' is shut for good?

Anonymous said...

I'd much rather listen to Mr Bird on this subject as he's got years of experience in it and knows what he's talking about than listen to someone who clearly doesn't have a clue.
How do you know I dont have a clue? do you have a clue?

These people who cause trouble could do what many young people do and what I did at uni, buy a load of cheap supermarket booze and drink it at home and head out and have one or two in a pub/club. Who's responsible then?
The bar owner they have a responsibility not to serve drunks or people who appear drunk, also the bouncers should not allow access to anybody who is obviously worse for wear.

People should know their limits and have some personal responisbility rather than your world where everyone passes the buck and blames someone else.
Agreed but they dont if everyone took that mantra there would be no crime.

One final note, if the club, or in fact any other pub anywhere in the country, were behaving irresponsibly they would be somehwere between having their license reviewd and their license taken away.

Well perhaps the club should be the 1st it is/was govt policy to stop this sort of promotion I think the club is just exploiting people to make a few pennies profit.

And a final personal note if some uni students are what this country has to look forward to we are doomed!

PS I have lived in 2 uni towns.

Anonymous said...

It is a bit far fetched to call on those who are critical of the way some bars/pubs are run to defer to the views of the people who run them. That shows an inability to grasp the point.

The fact that drinkers are not forced to have too much is irrelevant and again misses the point. What matters is at what point they should be refused service. Perhaps Mr Bird could give us the benefit of his experience and explain how this judgement is exercised.

phil bird said...

In my blogs I posted three or rather four questions which so far have been ignored.
Pub Landlords do their best to stop drunks from entering their premises. Its not in their interest to serve drunks, especially as they have got to that state drinking somewhere else! Drunks don't drink, are just a pain and cause a nuisance. Hundreds of pounds are spent on expensive registered doormen to try to keep the problem to a minimum and refuse entry when drunk.
But try that on New Years Eve when all of the towns pubs are full of revellers celebrating and in many cases drunk. Yes all the pubs. Not just one.
Not sure of the Uni students and doomed point. So they go out and have some fun which includes drinking. So what. Looking around you, if you were young (perhaps you are) can you blame them not wanting to escape the pressures of life for a few years ? Going out meeting a few girls being noisy is not a crime. Doomed I don't think so although the Cabinet is full of ex drunks so it makes you wonder.
As I said I do not condone bad behaviour, binge drinking etc in any way.
You might think or ask 'is it worth it'. To me no but others perhaps don't have a choice.



Anonymous said...

The fact that drinkers aren't forced to drink isn't irrelevant when you're blaming pubs and bars for it when the blame should lie at the feet of the individual.

I can tell you now if the club, or most of the towns pubs, started selling drink at a more expensive price the people who are causing trouble would just drink supermarket price alcohol at home and then head into town and just have one or two.

They may well ne refused entry but they'll still be drunk and in the town.

For the record as someone who's in the town a lot at weekends the bar and door staff are very good at refusing entry and service to those who are too drunk.

Anonymous said...

So where do the problem drunks come from? There must be a flying saucer that beams them down at a time and on nights that coincide with bars closing as they obviously don't have anything to do with these establishments.

David Furmage said...

What's need is to channel people energies into something positive instead of causing trouble ie getting wasted and making people lives a misery. Thing is will these people ever learn?

Anonymous said...

11 04, I think people have explained where they come from, you must be quite thick. No one has said its nothing to do with these places. You just take the most simplistic view.

The points made are, for example, do you blame the restaurant who let a girl go through a bottle and a half of wine or the late bar that served her one alcopop?

Do you blame the supermarket for selling a case of 24 for under a tenner or the club that may serve them one pint?

Or do you blame the drinkers for drinking too much?

Or will you now change your argument from how much they drink to late opening hours?

Anonymous said...

Using a tabloid headline writer's vocabulary of "blame" and "responsibility" is quite fatuous. This is about cause and effect not some nebulous emotional labelling. If we did not have late opening we would have a good deal less nocturnal disturbance. It is as simple as that. Some people say the disturbance is a price worth paying, others do not agree. The latter are in general not the ones who suffer the disturbance.

Anonymous said...

If we did not have late opening we would have a good deal less nocturnal disturbance. It is as simple as that

It isn't quite as simple as that.

3am is late night, but what isn't? midnight? 11pm? 8pm?

You close the places earlier the disturbances will still happem, just earlier on. Now if you have a family with young children who are in bed by 8/9pm latest then disturbances at that time would be an issue.

If you like to stay up and watch Match of the Day and go to bed when it finishes, noise just after midnight is a problem.

So when do you close places? Because, for example, if the latest place closes on a Saturday at 3am people go out around 9pm.

If you make everywhere close at say midnight people will just go out at 6pm.

And making everywhere close at the same time is a bad idea, as at closing time you'll have far more people who are outside and drunk.

Not everyone who goes out goes to the latest licensed bar if they all shut at different times.

So you see, it's not as simple as you'd like to think.

Anonymous said...

Its perfectly simple. We have normal opening times and we have late opening. Once again you are trying to divert us into chasing an infinite series of tiny differences. Leave that to the moral philosophers.

Perhaps we could have very local referenda allowing the people who live close to pubs/bars to decide what hours are acceptable to them. Letting people decide things locally is all the rage in government circles I am told. It would determine whether there is just a small number of malcontents or a general feeling. The supporters of late opening always say its opponents are small in number so they would not have a problem with this as they would expect to win.

Anonymous said...

Its perfectly simple. We have normal opening times and we have late opening. Once again you are trying to divert us into chasing an infinite series of tiny differences. Leave that to the moral philosophers.


Yet you refuse to define what's normal.

phil bird said...

I asked four questions on the 12 at 12.25.
As yet they have not been addressed with yes or no answers.
You might think noise disturbance would disappear if there was no late night opening. Well you are mis-informed.
Illegal drinking occurred in nearly every town in Purbeck. Several pubs in the area, included Swanage, were well known to serve drinks well after closing time. There were at least three pubs here in Swanage, that were open well into into the night every weekend as well as a cocktail bar. There were also various house parties as even the bloggs postman will confirm.
It was for this reason that a late night extension was applied for and granted.
All this demonstrates that a demand is there and still is.
Someone mentioned a flying saucer beaming drunks in. Well last weekend they were beamed in from Studland, over 60 of them bought in by a Breezers !
I would suggest that several of the posts above are written by someone who has recently moved to the town, bought or rented a property in a noisy area before taking due diligence or caring and investigating the surroundings.
Like moving to a farm and complaining about the cockerels crowing !






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Nickthefish said...

I've got about half a bucket of plastic milk bottle tops saved for charity, who takes them locally now?

One who has 'been there' said...

Recycling?

Anonymous said...

RE:
Nickthefish said...
I've got about half a bucket of plastic milk bottle tops saved for charity, who takes them locally now?

Generally all plastic for recycling is compressed, taken to the East Coast and loaded into the empty containers being returned to CHINA where the plastic is recycled into agricultural fence posts etc.
RobO

Anonymous said...

The proposed CLOSURE of SWANAGE HOSPITAL is on the agenda for a meeting at The MOWLEM on THURSDAY 30th August at 7pm. Interested ?

Anonymous said...

The proposed CLOSURE of SWANAGE HOSPITAL is on the agenda for a meeting at The MOWLEM on THURSDAY 30th August at 7pm. Interested ?

No.

Anonymous said...

Its now official the surgery only makes telephone appointments with your doctor and the Doctor if necessary will make an appointment with you.
To short circuit this when the Doctor ‘phones, don’t pick up, then the doctor will have to determine if you’re still alive and so visit !?!?

Anonymous said...

Are we not owed a fireworks cus of bad weather? Can we have it on Sept 1st?

Anonymous said...

Nickthefish said...
I've got about half a bucket of plastic milk bottle tops saved for charity, who takes them locally now?

I do. If you still have them, I can pick them up.

Nickthefish said...

soz they went to St Mary's, but if there is a box somewhere I can drop future ones in please let me know

The Postman said...

Flag Poles on East Bar/Pier View flats.

Does anyone know how long the flag poles on the roof at the High Street end of the flats over the East Bar have been in place or whether they ever had planning permission. The ones across the road at G Whites had to be removed as they lacked PP.



Posted by Anonymous to swanageview at 25/10/12 1:17 PM

Nickthefish said...

"ever had planning permission?"
you don't need planning permission to fly the national flag