Tuesday, November 01, 2011

Gypsy and Traveller sites for Swanage - PDC Consultation

Exhibition on 21 November 2011, 3.30 – 7.30 pm, The Mowlem, Shore Road, Swanage.
Information also available at Library and Town Hall.

A Council report has been made public today regarding gypsy and traveller sites, ahead of a Council meeting on 8th November. Consultants have been working on behalf of Dorset councils to prepare the Gypsy and Traveller development plan document. A consultation is planned for Nov-Feb across Dorset. After trawling through around 100 sites, the consultants have shortlisted four sites for consultation purposes. One is in Wool and three are in Swanage. Two of the sites at ‘Herston Fields’ and Washpond Lane have been promoted by the landowner for this purpose. The remaining site is within county council ownership in North Swanage. PDC say they are disappointed that at this stage they only have four sites for consultation, which is insufficient to meet the known gypsy and traveller needs in Purbeck. They hope the consultation will help attract landowners to suggest further sites for consideration.

Please note that Council on 8th November is only being asked to agree to publishing these four sites for consultation purposes. Council is not being asked to agree to the principle of whether these sites are suitable and should be allocated. Decisions on the sites that will be allocated as gypsy and traveller sites will come later in the plan process. By then they hope other sites will be suggested for consideration providing them with greater choice.

The papers are available here: http://www.dorsetforyou.com/403709



Posted by Anonymous to swanageview at 31/10/11 11:13 PM

98 comments:

Anonymous said...

If this land is available why not make it available for social housing?

David Furmage said...

A very good point , and if this is the case we should all get caravans and move onto the sites.
Thing is we could be seen predujice against travellers if we don't agree to this. As long as they respect the land they get given and contribute to the community , I don't mind.

Anonymous said...

These gypos cause trouble wherever they go, crime follows them.

They should not be allowed here full stop

Anonymous said...

Funny that there are no sites near where the planners live

Anonymous said...

Romany’s roam and Travellers travel so why do they demand ‘PERMANENT' Sites ?
RobO

Anonymous said...

Mike Storer should apply for the Pier Head site to become Permanent Traveller Site, Travellers need a holiday by the seaside.
It may prompt the ‘Planners’ to grant permission for one of the earlier Applications, problem is they’re vindictive enough to approve a Traveller site.

David Furmage said...

Some info on travellers , instead of reading the Daily Nazi;)

http://www.stlegerhomes.co.uk/PDF/Gypsy%20&%20Traveller%20Fact%20Sheet%20May07.pdf

Anonymous said...

I read the report with a mixture of disbelief and deep distrust. Three things immediately spring to mind.

1. Travellers are supposed to be transient by nature. It therefore seems inappropriate that three of the proposed sites should be in Swanage – at the end of a peninsula.

2. Why can’t the existing official travellers’ site at Ash Oaks Park, Trigon, on the Wareham - Bere Regis Road, be expanded if extra pitches are needed? That area seems far more suitable.

3. The Herston Fields proposal is clearly a cynical ploy by the landowner to try and soften up public opinion in favour of using the land for housing development instead.

The good people of Swanage should reject the proposal as it stands and instruct their District Councillors to vote against it accordingly.

David Furmage said...

So what we get a petion going for it to be a waste of time?
When has PDC ever listened to people of Swanage? I say we should think long and hard about this one and the first poster had a good point;)

Anonymous said...

or try:
http://www.stlegerhomes.co.uk/PDF/FS22%20Gypsy%20and%20traveller%20Myth%20Buster.pdf

David Vincent said...

I wonder how much the consultation has cost us.

Anonymous said...

This sounds fun. Let the games commence.

Anonymous said...

David,

£244K - http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/localnews/9316906.Councilllor_slams_the_cost_of_Dorset_s_gypsy_site_hunt/

Anonymous said...

Couldn't get Dave's link to work but tried these http://www.stlegerhomes.co.uk/equality__diversity/myth_busters__guidance.aspx

http://www.stlegerhomes.co.uk/PDF/Gypsy%20&%20Traveller%20Fact%20Sheet%20May07.pdf

Thanks for drawing our attention to this document. I noticed in the thread about the East Bar someone demanded proof that noise and criminal damage at two and three in the morning in the vicinity of the drinking establishments was caused by the customers when making their way home. Can we take it that they will be posting in this thread demanding proof of any allegations against travellors?

David Furmage said...

Maybe one of the rules of these gypsy sites is that the site is installed with cctv ;) or shall we just rely on a nosey neighbour to fill us in with the detail?

Anonymous said...

You get pikeys you get trouble full stop. bad for local bussines.

Anonymous said...

The local police are thinly stretched as it is.

Will the police be increased in number if needed?

No point in CCTV cameras if the are being monitored 11 miles away.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure 10.54's comment is intended to be helpful, but I suspect it is the unspoken view of many, if not most (either through suspicions or NIMBYism) , and as such should be considered, if only to be dispelled.....otherwise tensions will always bubble under the surface.

David Furmage said...

Well said the above poster;) certain comments like pikeys , gypo just fuel hatred and like you say should be dispelled. Probably a daily Nazi reader!

Anonymous said...

Re:0647 posting.

comments that 'the CCTV being monitored 11 miles away'which is exacerbated by the fact that just before midnight, (1st) until after 0100 (2nd) the police helicopter was hovering over and around Lwr. High Street. Is the 'Long Arm of the Law' circa 500ft to reach down and make a collar, or are helicopters cheaper than boots on the street?

Anonymous said...

Accuse me of NIMBYism if you like but yes, as a resident overlooking the proposed site I will oppose it. Why? Simply because as a pensioner I am scared of the poential additional crime that will be brought to the immediate surroundings. Why should we suffer this?

Anonymous said...

It'd seem sensible to me to have a couple of pitches in each car park, and as people van and camp along the ferry road and around Hartland moor put a couple there.

I'm also pretty sure that the MoD could free up some of their land.

SORTED.

Anonymous said...

According to the document these are 'residential' pitches rather than 'transit' ones. On the DCC website it states:

Transit sites

Transit sites are authorised sites that are used for short stays by Gypsies and Travellers. The sites are provided on a permanent basis by local authorities and have basic amenities and services, which include water supply, shared toilets, washing facilities/utility room and waste disposal. They may be used for days or weeks, up to a maximum of three months. Gypsies and Travellers have to pay for a pitch on a transit site.

Residential sites or 'permanent sites'

Residential sites or 'permanent sites' are either provided by local authorities or are owned by Gypsies and Travellers themselves. The sites are used as long-term residences. Sites often contain a number of separate pitches, occupied by each Gypsy or Traveller household, although single pitch sites are also common. Council-owned residential sites are managed by either the local authority or a local housing partner and have a number of amenities, including water supply, electricity, individual toilets and utility rooms.

Anonymous said...

From the above link:
Following the Public Order Act (1984) Local Authorities no longer had an obligation to provide sites for gypsies
and travellers. There are now too few sites to accommodate this community and so many have settled in
housing. 90% of gypsies and travellers around the world now live in houses.

Anonymous said...

The pompous mr furmage strikes again! people who use the words pikeys and gypos are nazi's ehh well these people have no respect most sponge off of the state pay no taxes abuse the law cause crime threaten law abiding residents, increase council tax hate us "normal" folk and live how they want to. And yes I have had proffesional and bussines dealing with them so I speak from experience, and it was not a pleasant one, perhaps they can have the local councillor house you so desire rather than letting you and your brood have it!

Anonymous said...

Re 10.22

Not a bad idea at all as long as the council provides a means for supplying water and disposing waste, both human and other.

Doing this is multiple locations for a few pitches at each might prove a bit expensive. That is why these sites are placed in one area.

SillyWhim said...

3.06

Sir: Mr Furmage has the decency to make his point under his own name; therefore your ad hominum ANONYMOUS attack on him does not merit consideration. I am sure he can take an attack like a man, but you are way off course by commenting upon his children. That is beneath contempt, and shameful.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 4.33

Purbeck want to keep the sites small, presumably to draw less attention, or to make them less attractive to the Travellers.

One thing to bear in mind here - and I love checking 'local' - ha ha - knowledge, when the Travellers parked up near Briantspuddle a few years ago - no trouble. but then there was no publicity - or local knowledge!

Last year they parked up on Moreton Drove - again no publicity, no local knowledge - no trouble.

I have no connection the Travellers, just inn case you're wondering.

David Furmage said...

Yep you are a Daily Nazi reader:( shame on you. Shame you anit got nothing between you legs to put your name to your post. In some way i feel sorry for you. Everyone has rights even pikeys and gyps as you call them. Ya rascist!

Anonymous said...

yes mr furmage I am a racist you caught me out fully fledged member of the BNP read the daily mail etc etc ........... are you happy now.

I call it what it is, hate or love it, the travellers (haha) are trouble just ask anyone who lives in any area where they have been! and to make comments about genatalia is a bit uncalled for after all I may be female, but then again you are known for your rants around town towards councill officials and others. Perhaps I am scottish and have a blog site, which could be shall we say contravesial. I wont attach my name last time I did a family member was both verbally and physically abused and I am not willing to put up with that again. yes I call them pikeys (i did not use the word gypo) I do think 99% of them are beneath comtempt, but that is my opinion as you I am entitled to it. I am willing to bet in a private poll 70%+ on here are dreading the said camp and share my views, perhaps not so forcibably but in principle.perhaps my views could expand to population control I have a couple of kids how many do you have? or your new partner that you keep on about? perhaps you can squat you seem to have the view that squating is a legal right.I bet if PDC were to agree to erect 100 social homes on herston fields and you could get one, your views would quickly change.

David Furmage said...

Social housing , where in Swanage would you put them? And they would not be social as you don't make money from them. Plus social housing would have to be under £90,000 for people in swanage to afford them. So this is kind of a dream some of us have , though it never looks like to happen. And yep if a house came up of course I would take one , better than living apart from my girlfriend and my new born. And it would be in my rights to be given a house , like it's a travellers right to be given some land to live on:)
As for cutting the world population down well I took this step after having 3 boys. So 6 years ago I went for the snip. Thing is miracles do happen and 4 months ago my girlfriend and I have a baby girl. First one in my family out of 11 boys. Doctor said my op reversed it's self and I was 1 out of 30,000 this could happen too. So it was meant to be;)

Anyway in Britain we have a thing called human rights and don't get me wrong I sometimes don't believe in it, though I respect. Just like these travellers have rights to live on land which has been giving to them by PDC. Yes the only council I rant about , because they are the ones who come up with ideas to push Swanage to limits. I bet they all laugh at us bickering away to ourselves , undressing of working together , that way we probably get things done around here. As for our local councillors , I would praise them whenever possible, why ? You ask. Well have worked with them on securing powerkiting on beach in winter , there's is young blood on the council , and our new town clerk is very approachable and they will listening to what you say.

So anyway haterd is the not the key to the travellers , education is , learning about how we can welcome them into our community , instead of banishing them , kind of what the Nazi's did to the Jews. Education is that which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding. Thing is this is not set in stone yet and we must exspress our views on this subject , though my views are we must respect a travellers way of life and if land is giving to them by a landowner we must respect that desicion aswell.

And I have always put my name to posts as I believe in what I say and in my opinion it holds more merit;) oh and please don't start with this 99% business , it's not like we have major big banks here hehe

Anonymous said...

Mr Furmage,

I do not read the Daily Mail, and it does not take a Daily Mail reader to know that wherever there is a traveller site in thsi country, crime rises and they cause problems for locals.

I for one don't want them anywhere near here.

But then again I'm probably wrong because I disagree with you, as is your attidude.

Mr. N Stevens

(signed thusly because I cannot be bothered to register an account)

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. N Stevens

please read my earlier post at 4.59.

Yours

Mr A Non

David Furmage said...

No your not wrong at all , you have an opinion just like anyone else the posts on here. And that is a good thing;) the day we don't have them , then that would a sad day for all of us.

Anonymous said...

No your not wrong at all , you have an opinion just like anyone else the posts on here. And that is a good thing;) the day we don't have them , then that would a sad day for all of us.

Except me! you call me a nazi which is offensive ( and you should know) how many times are we subject to stories of people making nazi salutes etc about 4 times in the last week alone. In my opinion you are way of base about these travellers they are not sweet hippies who smoke a bit of pot around camp fires and sell wood carving and beads n bangles the are an underclass of criminals who will disrupt the local econamy stretch the police cause trouble in schools, pay no taxes and generally be a bl&&dy nightmare.

You want em go live with them. I'll ask agian mr furmage 3 choices re herston fiels 1) NO building or camp 2)social housing with you getting one or 3) a pikey camp? you choose.

David Furmage said...

To be honest 2 out of the 3 choices , if we are seen as not a priority by the council we dicussed about buying a big caravan for our family and joining the travellers that way we can be a family together , thou if a house comes up yes we will take it but like I say that's going to be a long way of.

So tell me one thing which I am curious about how have you dealt with travellers before. I am sure we all like to hear your side of the story. Like they say there is always to side to a story. So let's hear it!

And if you are the so called professional in your work, you should know having a petty dig at someones so called "brood", does not make me think that professional is the word I would use. Though I am willing to hold out a olive branch;) as for Nazi salutes in swanage:( , never heard of any to be honest.

Anonymous said...

It looks like the gypsies have already arrived at one of the Swanage sites - old shacks, horses, chickens, etc. Nr railway line Washpond Lane! Hope not!!!!

Anonymous said...

I, too wondered about the site near the Railway bridge, it appears to be growing forever larger with caravans parked earlier in the year hidden behind trees. Lots of buildings -has planning permission been approved or the start of the traveller invasion?

Anonymous said...

the are an underclass of criminals who will disrupt the local econamy stretch the police cause trouble in schools, pay no taxes and generally be a bl&&dy nightmare.

Hard times can hit us all, even you. Travellers could be your own children/their children or someone you know.

You should be ashamed of yourself you have discriminated against others in an extremely unpleasant way. When you or your friends fall upon hard times will you continue to make sweeping statements about those people who travel ie.live in vans out of necessity. You may think back to your words one day.

Anonymous said...

Hard times can hit us all, even you. Travellers could be your own children/their children or someone you know.

For god sake wake up these are not some poor people who live in a 30 yr old caravan who eat dry bread the majority have luxury caravans which are towed by expensive range rovers they rip people of dont pay taxes only deal in cash pay no heed to the law, and do what they bloody want! I may be out spoken but im not delusional! you are tho!
Please dont insult me I have lived next to some of these people had to repair constant damage done by them at tax payers expense, had friends children bullied and robbed at school (when they went) so I speak from a lot of personal experience. shhhhesh I honestly think you do gooders live in cloud cookoo land.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps a compromise is in order:

Allow a site for travellers, by all means. But also allow all property owners within a predetermined 'impact zone' (abutting said camp, and all its access roads) a 100% refund of council rates, and a one off lump sum of 25% of the appraised value of there property to offset the drop in value of their property. Have the cost of this covered by the County Council and/or national government which is forcing small communities to 'do their part'.

Why does one group get a pass that the rest of us don't? It is some form of 'reparations' for untold injustices in the past? Will these folk pay a market rate for their pitch, and will they pay council rates......or...........

Anonymous said...

It's not such a bad idea and it's what the French have been doing for years.

Counter the NIMBY gene by appealing to it thru' it's own weakness - that of it's selfishness!

Anonymous said...

Counter the NIMBY gene by appealing to it thru' it's own weakness - that of it's selfishness!

Ok here is the deal they can come live with you (and mr furmage) foul your property nick the rest, abuse your family and for that you can pay the police bill but, I will not repeat will not allow you to call me selfish just because I dont want a load af pikeys destroying what my partner and I have taken 45 yrs to acheive. you want them you have them but for every bit of troble they cause you pay ok deal, that should appeal to your human nature!

PS Am I the only one fighting this corner please people some support.

PS mr furmage I know of a caravan just like the ones the pikeys have £35k do you want it....... umm why not put that down as adeposit on a property?

Anonymous said...

Numpty.

Anonymous said...

10:54 people may support you if you put a name to your posts and used the correct grammar. Frankly my eyes nearly bled trying to read that drivel.

Does anyone know if the proposed site(S) are for Romany Gypsys or Irish travellers?

Anonymous said...

Irish or Romany? Good question.

Just what 'test' do they need to pass to be allowed in (or is a test 'racial profiling'?). Perhaps anyone with a caravan can roll up for a free pitch.

Seriously....do the two groups of travelers get on with each other?

Ken Tullett said...

Can we not put them out to see on flotillas? I have seen 'Waterworld' and believe this can be done. Affordable housing can also be built upon said flotillas. This has been mentioned in George Willey's column many times.

Why are the PDC surpressing this plan from us?

David Furmage said...

Let's be honest here , if I owned some land that sat there not being used and the council said we shall give you some money , if we can rent your land. Would you say no? And with things being hard for some people , I for one would not say no!

Caravan for sale , hummm , does this include free drop off , free electric , free running , freeview tv , drive way to park my bicycle. I suppose if I am going to live like a so called gypo ( as you call them ) I best get everything free. Or could I be right in saying you might be a gypo selling me a dodgy caravan that you robbed fron some caravan site?

Anonymous said...

All the official guidance indicates that “gypsy and traveller communities are recognised ethnic groups and providing for their needs is a duty of the Council”. Many people fail to understand why the two different elements are combined when there are distinct historical differences.

Ask any police officer and they will give you chapter and verse on the disproportionate number of incidents that they have to deal with in respect of the “travelling community”. The only reason this isn’t proven public knowledge is that crime statistics by this “ethnic group” are not published by the Ministry of Justice.

Surely the local authority’s first duty is to provide for the needs of the local community? It looks more than a bit suspicious that three of the four proposed Purbeck sites are in Swanage when Gypsy and Traveller 'demand' in Swanage is very low....

Anonymous said...

I suppose if I am going to live like a so called gypo ( as you call them )

I did not call then gypo I called em pikeys do you understand mr furmage pikeys! have you ever watched Snatch brilliant film.

The Postman said...

Can I ask people to be more careful in what they say and how they say it? It's one thing to make observations, but this should be without any racist language or inflammatory suggestions. Any such comments will be deleted.

Anonymous said...

racist language or inflammatory suggestion

Are travellers a race? if any creed or colour can be a traveller how can they be a race?

please dont use the racist card on this one ordinary folks cant even mention ethnic origin without being called racist/

PS I wonder how full the council chamber will be tonight?

Anonymous said...

“An ethnic group is a collectivity within a larger population having real
or putative common ancestry, memories of a shared past, and a cultural
focus upon one or more symbolic elements which define the group’s
identity, such as kinship, religion, language, shared territory, nationality
or physical appearance. Members of an ethnic group are conscious of
belonging to an ethnic group”.

Source: ONS

"According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination".

So the use of terms such as: gypo, pikey, yuppie etc are in fact racist, unless of course you are praising such groups.

It's also best to remember that those who, shall we say, have a limited world view will 'label' things that they don't understand, and because they don't understand these groups they will be wary of them.

Anonymous said...

“gypsy and traveller communities are recognised ethnic groups and providing for their needs is a duty of the Council”.

I am a white, Anglo-Saxon British ex-Royal Marine national who is employed and dutifully pays taxes, obeys the law and is generally not a nuisance. Do I qualify as a 'recognised ethnic group'?

Can I have a free pitch too? Please???

Anonymous said...

ex Royal Marine is not an ethnic group.

Quite why you felt you needed to add it in a debate about ethnic groups is beyond me.

Anonymous said...

8.12

You really don't get it, do you?

You must think that travelers deserve more rights than the rest of us who actually contribute to society.

I have no objection to travelers renting property and paying rates like the rest of us.

But I do no see why we need to provide (at our expense) facilities for them from which are restricted.

Kindly explain.

Anonymous said...

It's also best to remember that those who, shall we say, have a limited world view will 'label' things that they don't understand, and because they don't understand these groups they will be wary of them.

In other words our views are biased because you think you are more worldly wise than us?
Travellers, Irish. balkan latvian. english....do not share the same past cannot have the same memories or religion.. or even look the same. ummmm come to think of it do they speak the same language? other travellers the hippy type? very often pagan views ie earth moon religions, from varying social backgrounds, do they tie in with above no.

If you take your point of view, ie shared memories views ideas etc all manchester united fans could be called a race as they share the above!

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Anonymous said...

No, you've got me wrong.

I don't want a large traveller site in my town, and don't see why they should get certain perks and priveledges without contributing much to the state themselves.

However I failed to understand why you felt you need to mention you were an ex marine when we were discussing what constitutes an ethnic group/minority.

Anonymous said...

Why not? Have you got a problem with those who served their Queen and Country?

That is my point: I have contributed to this nation and our town all my life, through service, volunteerism, taking part in the political process, and paying taxes. Is a citizen not afforded rights and benefits that certain 'ethnic groups' claim? Why should others come in and, in effect, sponge off those who have made a commitment to their community? If it pleases you, delete my military service from the perception of me you hold in your mind, and make it thus: I am a British citizen who pays tax. Then answer this:

Why is a group allowed privileges that we must pay for, but does not pay anything in return? Because it is considered an ethnic group? It makes no sense. By all means, provide a site, but charge them the market rate, and council rates for the services they use, just like the rest of us need to pay, whether we are ex-Marines or not. By affording one group rights and privileges about others makes the latter second-class and, in my view, an ethnic group: the trod upon citizen.

Please do not feel compelled to wear a poppy this week; you will make yourself a hypocrite. I will make an extra donation on hyour behalf so that you do not have to feel guilty. Enjoy your week.

Anonymous said...

What a wonderful bunch of Daily Moron readers we have here!

I PAY MY TAXES AND THESE PEOPLE DON'T!

Oh dear, we pay taxes so that those who are less fortunate than ourselves can share in things such as an education, health care, housing benefit etc.

It's called civilisation.

I've been PAYE for all but 2 years of my working life, which means I pay what's due. I'm happy with that cuz it helps me and others.

That's good!

Now stop moaning and welcome and help people who are aren't quite like the rest of us.

There'll be a few knockbacks but on the whole, it's the only way.

Anonymous said...

I don't mind helping people who are unfortunate and can't help themselves, or are trying to help themselves and need a bit of help.

I don't like helping people who make no effort to help themsleves and sponge off the state.

Anonymous said...

5.46

What planet do you live on?

Next time the travelers role into town, check out their caravans. Their vehicles.

And understand that if you paid no PAYE and were given subsidized pitches, you too would be rich.

Do not confuse poverty with travelers. You have been bamboozled of you do.

Travelers have the same advantages as do the hedge fund managers in London. They have a means to avoid tax.

(You know, if they rolled into town and offered something to brighten our lives, I might give them a pass. But...hand on heart...what will they do for Swanage??)

Anonymous said...

5.46

There are people right now in Swanage who are struggling; who wonder how they will pay rent, and rates.......

And YOU place the travelers over OUR OWN?

Charity begins at home. And you are proposing charity.

Let's fix Swanage before we invite in other problems.

Anonymous said...

Bring on the CLICHES!

You lot should be ashamed of yourselves.


"But...hand on heart...what will they do for Swanage??"

No-one knows unless they're given a chance - but as I said before, you're all wary of something that doesn't fit your model of normal

Mr Nimby of Swanage said...

Please provide one story from another town in the UK where a travelers' site has added to the community. I have never ever read a story where the town has nad to go to court to move them on. I would be ever so happy to have my mind changed.

Tell you what. Let's invite a representative to explain how such a site would be good for them, and for us.

Meanwhile, may I cite Dale Farm?

David Furmage said...

Was waiting for the Dale farm to come up in this , Dale Farm was yes on land that was not theirs , thou this land in Swanage is to be given to them which is not for sure yet anyway.

Thing is Dale Farm had the stupid idiots help them , spongers called anarchists. Thou we are all armchairs anarchists in a way , thou we must respect all forms of human life. Though these kind of idiots gave travellers in recent news a bad name. Surely if there are to be rules put in place before they move in , surely we could work at least together?

Anonymous said...

Though these kind of idiots gave travellers in recent news a bad name. Surely if there are to be rules put in place before they move in , surely we could work at least together?

delusional as ever travellers dont need help giving themselves a bad name they make a good job of it themselves! and the person who thinks they are poor as in the elederly who cannot afford heating get real , they have more disposible income than most BECAUSE they dont pay taxes!

Anonymous said...

It is remarkable how there is a strand of thought that thinks income tax is the one and only form of tax we have. If travellers pay no tax how do they fuel their vehicles? Pixie juice?

It is a pointless argument. What is worse, illegal encampments on and available land or legal ones? Regardless of whether they indulge in criminal activity the overall harm is less if there are proper places for them to camp. They do not cease to exist if there are no places for them. Perhaps those who are against travellors having anywherer to camp would like to suggest how the question can be solved. Criminalse them? Lock them up? Something a little more radical?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps those who are against travellors having anywherer to camp would like to suggest how the question can be solved. Criminalse them? Lock them up? Something a little more radical?

there was a site in poole but was constantly vandalised, hence tax payer pays more if they did 2 basic things it might help pay their way and stop criminal activity.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's just me but I'm not sure I understand that last comment.

What they have in Poole doesn't really matter, it's what we're going to have here that matters.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's just me but I just don't understand the last comment.

I mean why would anyone site a nearby example of a traveller site to use a comparison as to what may happen here.

Anonymous said...

Common sense?

David Furmage said...

Well we can all have our say at the Mowlem on 21st of this month between 3.30 till 7pm :)

Anonymous said...

This is ridiculous. There will be objections to travellors everywhere which means the decision makers have no choice but to ignore the objections as there are no locations that will not provoke them. Don't you people realise this or are your mental processes simply too lazy and slapdash?

Anonymous said...

Well, we will go through the motions, then. Make useless suggestions.

I suggest the Town Hall car park.

Anonymous said...

This is ridiculous. There will be objections to travellors everywhere which means the decision makers have no choice but to ignore the objections as there are no locations that will not provoke them. Don't you people realise this or are your mental processes simply too lazy and slapdash?

Ok, everyone. New plan. If you don't want something to happen, or are opposed to it happening just shut up, it's going to happen anyway.

And Mr Furmage I'd love to come to the meeting but then I wouldn't be able to speak my mind behind the safe anonimity of my keyboard.

David Furmage said...

No worries , bring the keyboard with you if you love it that much. Would not want you hiding behind anything else! And what meeting? It a open thing from the time stated for you to put your views accross .

Anonymous said...

I mean why would anyone site a nearby example of a traveller site to use a comparison as to what may happen here.

because its a travellers site and the same people may travel to here! or are you just that slow. thats the point its a site for people to travel to where has it been mentioned that once they are here they stay for ever!

Anonymous said...

So, all these travellers are travelling around but staying permanently!

Cool!

SillyWhim said...

Argghh.

Maybe the travelers will read these comments, and strike Swanage off the map
(just as the County Council appears to have done).

Maybe there are advantages to being located an a cul-de-sac with sheep on two sides and fish on the other.

Let's just pretend we didn't hear about travelers, and it will go away!

David Furmage said...

Anyway have your say:)

http://www.dorsetforyou.com/397368

Anonymous said...

y' like dags??!!haha come on this is an awful idea, im mid twenties lived in Swanage all of my life as well as two generations of my family. I have no idea why they would want to put a site for travellers here in this quite predominatly older population why ruin it.

Crime will increase, Friday and Saturday night will sure be both exciting and dangerous no doubt! There are far more suitable places such as cold harbor which i think someone suggested, truth is they have no respect for anything look at what happened to the site and canford heath!

Instead of wasting time on travellers we should be considering the introduction of cheaper property so first time buyers can get onto the property ladder which will encourage new businesses to start and get some money back into the area. This will simply ruin the town!

I will see you on the 21st

David Furmage said...

So did we all go the the thing on at the Mowlem? Very interesting and a bit heated for sure;)

Anonymous said...

I went and I learnt that:

Baker Associates supplied 50 copies of the Site Options Summary & Response Form for attendees - needless to say these were gone within minutes.

According to a Baker Associates employee there are probably Gypsies & Travellers in Swanage already but we just don't know about it.

Baker Associates confirmed that the Gypsies & Travellers have been consulted over sites. A spokesperson from PDC stated that they had not.

Draw your own conclusions.

Anonymous said...

Purbeck Council Tax is ‘Band on Band’ is 30 to 40% higher than the UK average, however the presence of traveller sites suppresses the value of property, (e.g. Dale Farm), therefore Purbeck should get a reduction in Council Tax if the proposed Traveller Sites go ahead.

RobO

Anonymous said...

More likely the opposite, the extra costs involved in Police/Law enforcement, site maintenance, refuse removal etc will no doubt be added to the Purbeck Council Tax so increasing it even more?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps those who want/welcome the "travelers" will pay the extra council tax as 1) they feel this will not happen 2) out of the kindness of their hearts.

PS please can all those in favour give the travelers their home adresses so they can scam/burgal/vandalise them first.

Anonymous said...

[NEW HEADING?]
PETITION SWANAGE
European Human Rights
“Article 1 of the First Protocol: Protection of Property
Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. Article 1 of the First Protocol is a qualified right. It protects your right to the peaceful enjoyment of your property. The article refers to ‘possessions’ which has a wider meaning than just land and property interests. You should note that although the article refers to ‘enjoyment’ of possessions, it does not guarantee the right to live in a pleasant environment. However, if the interference is very severe and has a significant detrimental effect on the value of the property, the interference may amount to a partial deprivation of that property for which compensation should be paid (Rayner v UK 1986).”

It is a proven fact that property values and quality of life are detrimentally affected by Traveller Sites, (ergo Dale Farm), so what of Swanage property values ? Therefore, PDC, DCC, UK Government and/or Brussels should be petitioned to compensate residents for loss in the value of their property and/or quality of life which will be adversely affected by the proposed Traveller Sites?

David Furmage said...

Personally I would be more worried about the amount of registered pedophiles In town , than some people living in caravans;) but hey that's another topic.

Anonymous said...

A very good point David, but as blogs like this, and much of our media, prove most people are worried about the wrong things.

They're happy when trotting out cliches and regurgitating garbage.

I like the use of the Human Rights Act, but it applies to Travellers as much as it does to you or I.

"It is a proven fact that property values and quality of life are detrimentally affected by Traveller Sites"

Yeah, right, house prices in Briantspuddle plummeted when they hosted the Travellers. Ditto Bovvy and Moreton.

What about the nice 'Middle Class' Travellers living down around Hartland Moor at the moment?

Anonymous said...

I think we need to stick to the arguments in relation to the impact on our town. I too cannot believe we are paying for these sites because of the Human Rights Act. I would like to see a site in Spain or Italy that has been set up for this reason.

Yet again, we British, not only implement and pay for these sites, we also gold plate them and wave flags as we do!

Its time we had some politicians with a bit of backbone to take on these stupid rules.

Anonymous said...

Some useful guidance released from the government for Communities and Local Councils. It states:
3.1 Selecting the right location for a site is a key element in supporting good community relations and maximising its success. As with any other form of housing, poorly located sites, with no easy access to major roads or public transport services, will have a detrimental effect on the ability of residents to:
• Seek or retain employment
• Attend school, further education or training
• Obtain access to health services and shopping facilities.

Where in a seasonal seaside town would the travelers seek and retain employment?

Source: http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/housing/pdf/designinggypsysites.pdf

Anonymous said...

and further:

3.4 Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (now Communities and Local Government) Circular 01/2006 Planning for Gypsy and Traveller Caravan Sites provides advice on site location and selection. It identifies factors which are important for the sustainability of a site, for instance:
• Means of access, availability of transport modes and distances from services
• Promotion of integrated co-existence between the site and local community
• Easy access to General Practitioner and other health services
Chapter 3 Site location/selection – permanent sites 15
• Near to a bus route, shops and schools
• Ground conditions and levels of land
• Not locating sites in areas of high flooding risk (for medium and low risk areas see paras 3.21–3.23).

Has someone pointed out that Herston Fields is often prone to flooding as confirmed by Richard Drax on his visit to the site:

“Clearly, the land is boggy, with the vegetation indicating underwater springs - and this after little rain. I was also shown a photograph, taken in 1994, of the field nearest the road under water.” Source: http://richarddrax.com/text.aspx?id=13

Anonymous said...

When the field was removed from the conservation area in July 2009, the reasons for its removal were explained in a document “Herston Conservation Area – Appraisal Document” published by PDC.

Extract from that document:

"The fact that this field lies within the AONB – subject to landscape policies within PPS7 – and also lies within a defined flood zones mean that it is highly improbable that this field will ever be developed. Indeed the field currently lies outside the settlement boundary for Swanage, an indication that the Local Authority views this an inappropriate location for development.”

Why has this changed?

David Furmage said...

What like the ones that were just voted in to get rid of Gordon Brown and his goonies. Well fat lot of good the coalition are doing:(

Anonymous said...

Here we go, the "Human Rights" card again. They don't pay taxes so they should not have the same rights as everyone else. They don't care about everyone elses human rights so why should we care about theirs?

We don't want them here, that's final.

Anonymous said...

I think you'll find that the government are starting starting to relax the laws on human rights and health & safety but it all takes a bit of time that's all.